Just a little perspective

[Mike13]

The latest "Best QB Prospect since Peyton Manning" has been playing like absolute dogshit.

Are Jags fans killing him? Probably. Is it unfair? Definitely. Is he a bust? No one knows because its a small sample size. Hell as of now this rookie class has been disappointing, not a single QB has looked particularly impressive.

Oh and FTR: So many of you wanted us to wait for Lawerence, and the exact same people who were dying to draft him are conspicuously silent. If Trevor Lawerence was a Dolphin you all would be jumping down his throat.

It's almost like every situation is different and young guys take time to develop.

You're not going to find a Justin Herbert in every QB class, he's an anomaly. Only two other QBs have done what he did: We all know the first guy. The second was Captain Fat****(Roethlisberger if you don't get the reference).

So my point would be to have just a little more patience with Tua. Let's see how he plays once he gets back. If he doesn't show marked improvement the rest if the way. Then yeah let's move on, whether that's drafting someone else or (Goddamnit) acquiring Watson.

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[GhostArmOfMarino]

I said before the draft i won't be surprised if Lawrence ends up being a bust despite his talent. Mainly because he doesn't seem like the type of guy who puts in all the extra work at his craft. Plus the Clemson offense was like 60% screen passes, barely exaggerated on that but probably exaggerated none the less.

Add to that having to deal with the disaster that is Meyer in the NFL and its not looking great for him currently.

I don't judge QB based on how long I've seen them play, its incredibly rare for a QB to not flash any elite traits and suddenly become elite.

Not sure if Lawrence has flashed at all because I haven't had a chance to see him play in terms of games as long as its a handful of them. That is more telling than a stat line.

 

[Adam Strange]

Tua is going to rise or fall based on his performance in the league. So far, it’s an open question as to whether he’s good enough.

The remark about Herbert seems especially out of place. When Payton Manning turned into the Hall of Famer he was, Dolphins fans couldn’t really say “what if?” since he was never going to fall to Miami. The Dolphins passed on Herbert. If he turns out to be far superior than Tua, then the fans will be understandably sore.

 

[Kev7]

I would still be optimistic about Lawrence due to his size, athleticism, and live arm. I mean we’ll never know who pans out in the NFL until they get here, but he has the tools. Patience needed here.

Zach Wilson on the other hand… no thanks

 

[fansinceGWilson]

The latest "Best QB Prospect since Peyton Manning" has been playing like absolute dogshit.

Are Jags fans killing him? Probably. Is it unfair? Definitely. Is he a bust? No one knows because its a small sample size. Hell as of now this rookie class has been disappointing, not a single QB has looked particularly impressive.

Oh and FTR: So many of you wanted us to wait for Lawerence, and the exact same people who were dying to draft him are conspicuously silent. If Trevor Lawerence was a Dolphin you all would be jumping down his throat.

It's almost like every situation is different and young guys take time to develop.

You're not going to find a Justin Herbert in every QB class, he's an anomaly. Only two other QBs have done what he did: We all know the first guy. The second was Captain Fat****(Roethlisberger if you don't get the reference).

So my point would be to have just a little more patience with Tua. Let's see how he plays once he gets back. If he doesn't show marked improvement the rest if the way. Then yeah let's move on, whether that's drafting someone else or (Goddamnit) acquiring "he whom shall not be named".

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Be sure to look for my book: **** GODDAMNIT WHY **** **** **** - The Miami Dolphins Story.

It'll be available on Amazon as soon as they're cool with that title.

Too many think the 'smart organizations' know who will be a HOFr, who will be the next Bortles, and who will be the next Leaf. If only it were that easy. That's why so many teams 'knew' LJ, Carr, and Mahommes weren't going to be a top QB. And everybody knew Bortles would be great at #3.
There was debate among the experts between TT and Herbert, but no debate they were worth a top pick. I can't blame MIA too much for the pick. The deed is done. Now all fans can do is see how it plays out. I have to wonder if a do-over with TT and Herbert would switch teams, who would be seen as the better QB.

 

[The Beatles]

I would still be optimistic about Lawrence due to his size, athleticism, and live arm. I mean we’ll never know who pans out in the NFL until they get here, but he has the tools. Patience needed here.

Zach Wilson on the other hand… no thanks

Well said. Fans always forget this part.

Tua doesn’t look good AND he is small with a weak arm and limited athleticism.

It’s easier to give more time to guys who don’t look good but are 6’5 with rocket arms and can move. Because you know they have the physical tools.

 

[Long suffering fan]

We will get a chance soon to see Tua.
Please can they improve the line to give him a chance.
Instead of watching Tua standing in the pocket all we see is a collapsing pocket virtually every play.
Lawerence needs time and patience like all Qbs.
Judge him like all new players after a few years not 3 games.

 

[The Bopkin]

I think many busts/first round failures come from the situation a player goes to. (injuries excepted)
These guys have talent, or they would't go so high. Sometimes it's what's inside, or a player's willingness to do the work. Now sometimes, the scouts/evaluators just botch it. But sometimes, a guy goes to a place that can't develop him. I am afraid we will never really know what Tua could be, because he is going to rot here. I can almost guarantee you, that if Tua went to Andy Reid at KC, or to Sean Peyton in NO, Tua would be a stud by the end of the season.
I just think this staff will not be able to get him to his maximum potential. There are guys who can make players look good- and some guys just can't.

 

[Dolphins81]

The latest "Best QB Prospect since Peyton Manning" has been playing like absolute dogshit.

Are Jags fans killing him? Probably. Is it unfair? Definitely. Is he a bust? No one knows because its a small sample size. Hell as of now this rookie class has been disappointing, not a single QB has looked particularly impressive.

Oh and FTR: So many of you wanted us to wait for Lawerence, and the exact same people who were dying to draft him are conspicuously silent. If Trevor Lawerence was a Dolphin you all would be jumping down his throat.

It's almost like every situation is different and young guys take time to develop.

You're not going to find a Justin Herbert in every QB class, he's an anomaly. Only two other QBs have done what he did: We all know the first guy. The second was Captain Fat****(Roethlisberger if you don't get the reference).

So my point would be to have just a little more patience with Tua. Let's see how he plays once he gets back. If he doesn't show marked improvement the rest if the way. Then yeah let's move on, whether that's drafting someone else or (Goddamnit) acquiring "he whom shall not be named".

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Be sure to look for my book: **** GODDAMNIT WHY **** **** **** - The Miami Dolphins Story.

It'll be available on Amazon as soon as they're cool with that title.

The problem is the Herbert was the next pick after Tua. We passed on who should have been our franchise QB.

How many people here claimed Tua was a “generational” talent? Tua is closer to being a “generational” bust!

 

[Dolphins81]

I think many busts/first round failures come from the situation a player goes to. (injuries excepted)
These guys have talent, or they would't go so high. Sometimes it's what's inside, or a player's willingness to do the work. Now sometimes, the scouts/evaluators just botch it. But sometimes, a guy goes to a place that can't develop him. I am afraid we will never really know what Tua could be, because he is going to rot here. I can almost guarantee you, that if Tua went to Andy Reid at KC, or to Sean Peyton in NO, Tua would be a stud by the end of the season.
I just think this staff will not be able to get him to his maximum potential. There are guys who can make players look good- and some guys just can't.

Agreed! Sean Peyton is one of the best offensive coaches in the league. Brees never has the career that he did if he came to us. Hell, he would have retired at least 5 years ago.

 

[srp1979]

I think many busts/first round failures come from the situation a player goes to. (injuries excepted)
These guys have talent, or they would't go so high. Sometimes it's what's inside, or a player's willingness to do the work. Now sometimes, the scouts/evaluators just botch it. But sometimes, a guy goes to a place that can't develop him. I am afraid we will never really know what Tua could be, because he is going to rot here. I can almost guarantee you, that if Tua went to Andy Reid at KC, or to Sean Peyton in NO, Tua would be a stud by the end of the season.
I just think this staff will not be able to get him to his maximum potential. There are guys who can make players look good- and some guys just can't.

Couldn't agree more about players going to the right environment. I think Belichek is a great example of taking below average talent and playing winning football. I just hope you aren't right about Tua rotting here. Im hoping when this dual O.C. thing is over, Flores hires an offensive genius and QB whisperer to get the most out of Tua.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I think many busts/first round failures come from the situation a player goes to. (injuries excepted)
These guys have talent, or they would't go so high. Sometimes it's what's inside, or a player's willingness to do the work. Now sometimes, the scouts/evaluators just botch it. But sometimes, a guy goes to a place that can't develop him. I am afraid we will never really know what Tua could be, because he is going to rot here. I can almost guarantee you, that if Tua went to Andy Reid at KC, or to Sean Peyton in NO, Tua would be a stud by the end of the season.
I just think this staff will not be able to get him to his maximum potential. There are guys who can make players look good- and some guys just can't.

XACTLY!! Many overlook the talent on the team and the coaching. Put Mahommes on the '17 Fins and convince me he'd be an elite QB. Every long-term fan has seen players dropped from a team (e.g., Billy Turner) and turn in to a good starter elsewhere. Every Fin fan has seen a top FA sign to MIA and play, well, let's say, not up to talent.

To be fair, some of it is some players never get up to the mental quickness of the NFL, don't make the commitment, whatever. Overall, team talent matters. Coaching matters. Luck matters. Pretending player evaluations should catch all that is denying reality.

 

[Dolphins81]

Couldn't agree more about players going to the right environment. I think Belichek is a great example of taking below average talent and playing winning football. I just hope you aren't right about Tua rotting here. Im hoping when this dual O.C. thing is over, Flores hires an offensive genius and QB whisperer to get the most out of Tua.

Gase is available, there are a ton of Gase “Whisperer” supporters here.

 

[Sirspud]

Wilson, Fields, Hurts, Lawrence, all are struggling. I don't know why so Dolphin fans on one hand can clearly see that this team has no capability of protecting a QB whatsoever and has amateur caliber offensive coaching, but can't understand the effect it has on our quarterbacks here, just because there may be some fifteen year veteran or MVP caliber QB who had the benefit of being developed in a stable system who could come in and transcend all our offensive failings right away.

You aren't gonna find many guys who could come into a team that does pretty much nothing right on offense and turn them around single-handedly. Instead of just spending our first round pick on a new QB every year hoping that a guy can make up for everything else wrong, we should start trying to provide a stable offensive environment and then try and get the most ideal captain possible.

 

[MrChadRico]

Lawrence is doing exactly what Peyton did in his first season.

Hes learning his limits, I commend him for being aggressive. Hes figuring out what he can get away with on this level. Lawrence will be fine..... IF the Jags can get some talent around him in the future.

Using this to defend Tua is Bull**** tho. Tua is nothing like Lawrence, not even close to the same arm talent. Lawrence is a far better prospect.

Tua won't be the QB for this team much longer. The sooner you Trua believers realize this, the better it will be for everyone. We will get Watson or Rodgers. Tuas days are numbered. I like Tua but we can and will get someone far better.