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Prior success notwithstanding, I must admit to being perplexed by the way the Dolphins are rebuilding their secondary. At the end of the 2008 season, Miami’s secondary consisted of Will Allen at LCB, Andre Goodman at RCB, Renaldo Hill at FS, Yeremiah Bell at SS and a trio of potential nickel cornerbacks in Jason Allen, Nathan Jones and Joey Thomas.
The player with the best metrics of this group last year was Goodman (6.7 YPA, 51.2% success rate), and he signed a free-agent deal with Denver.

For the free safety spot, Miami signed free-agent safety Gibril Wilson. Wilson has been in the league for five seasons and has manned the strong safety spot in four of those years. In the other year (2007), Wilson played FS for the Giants and posted deep assist metrics that were among the worst in the league (deep assist metrics being the passes in which Wilson was helping someone else with over-the-top coverage). He allowed the third-most deep assist yards and had the 12th-highest YPA on those passes.

For the vacant CB spot, the Dolphins signed former Cardinals starter Eric Green. One of the reasons Green is no longer a starter is that his 9.3 YPA last year ranked 9th worst among qualifying cornerbacks (those with 30+ attempts).

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/...nd-dolphins-may-be-leaving-secondary-exposed/
 
jim1 said:
Prior success notwithstanding, I must admit to being perplexed by the way the Dolphins are rebuilding their secondary. At the end of the 2008 season, Miami’s secondary consisted of Will Allen at LCB, Andre Goodman at RCB, Renaldo Hill at FS, Yeremiah Bell at SS and a trio of potential nickel cornerbacks in Jason Allen, Nathan Jones and Joey Thomas.
The player with the best metrics of this group last year was Goodman (6.7 YPA, 51.2% success rate), and he signed a free-agent deal with Denver.

For the free safety spot, Miami signed free-agent safety Gibril Wilson. Wilson has been in the league for five seasons and has manned the strong safety spot in four of those years. In the other year (2007), Wilson played FS for the Giants and posted deep assist metrics that were among the worst in the league (deep assist metrics being the passes in which Wilson was helping someone else with over-the-top coverage). He allowed the third-most deep assist yards and had the 12th-highest YPA on those passes.

For the vacant CB spot, the Dolphins signed former Cardinals starter Eric Green. One of the reasons Green is no longer a starter is that his 9.3 YPA last year ranked 9th worst among qualifying cornerbacks (those with 30+ attempts).

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/...nd-dolphins-may-be-leaving-secondary-exposed/
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It is kind of puzzling, but that has been the MO ever since the FO got here. Don't break the bank in FA. Sign second tier guys and coach them up. I think thier emphasis is on the front seven with the secondary coming second. What I mean is they believe that a stronger front seven will make the secondary better.
 
Rhody Phins Fan said:
Not really a good sign for us. I still don't understand the Eric Green signing.
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Eric Green was injured and had an off year. I still think tha the FO has some love for Jason Allen and Nate Jones, or at least some quiet optimism. If they can get Allen's head on track (big if) look out- only Will Allen has comparable physical skills among DB's.

I still think not only go for WR or CB in 1st, but go for the closest to the sure thing and don't force it. Hell, go OL if that's the right move. If for some reason we don't go CB very early I'm still thinking Coye Franceis and Kevin Barnes. Maybe a Jarius Byrd falls a bit, who knows. Crazy stuff happens every year, and thank God that we have a FO that will take advantage of it, not be one of those jerk FO's that reach for a Jamar Fletcher or Eddie Moore. Jerks.

p.s. What's with all this byatching and moaning about Nicks putting on weight? He's a big dude, and when they can't excercise they put on weight. 6-1 north of 215 is a good sized WR. So he'll take the weight off, big deal. Wouldn't it be better to focus on him being a disciplined leader, ultra productive, clutch player, team captain, positive influence and role model citizen? I saw the clips of his workout- dude, give me a break, talk about overkill.
 
jim1 said:
Eric Green was injured and had an off year. I still think tha the FO has soem love for Jason Allen and Nate Jones, or at least some quiet optimism. If they can get Allen's head on track (big if) look out- only Will Allen has comparable physical skills among DB's.

I still think not only go for WR or CB in 1st, but go for the closest to the sure thing and don't force it. Hell, go OL if that's the right move. If for some reason we don't go CB very early I'm still thinking Coye Franceis and Kevin barnes. Maybe a Jarius Byrd falls a bit, who knows. Crazy stuff happens every year, and thank God that we have a FO that will take advantage of it, not be one of those jerk FO's that reach for a Jamar Fletcher or Eddie Moore. Jerks.

p.s. What's with all this byatching and moaning about Nicks putting on weight? He's a big dude, and when they can't excercise they put on weight. 6-1 north of 215 is a good sized WR. So he'll take the weight off, big deal. Wouldn't it be better to focus on him being a disciplined leader, ultra productive, clutch player, team captain, positive influence and role model citizen? I saw the clips of his workout- dude, give me a break, talk about overkill.
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great post

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I'm not defending the decisions, but I understand their rationale. Our FO firmly believes that games are won in the trenches, and that the defensive front 7 is where the money needs to be stacked on defense. So, with that in mind, there will always be less money for the secondary. Our philosophy is that if we get the best front 7 we can, then the secondary is going to benefit and have to cover for less time in pass coverage and be on the field less to be exposed.

So, we're looking for value picks in the secondary ... 'K-Mart Blue Light Specials' if you will. We wanted to keep Goodman, but his successful season in a contract year meant we couldn't afford to keep him. Those high-profile FA's in the secondary largely weren't on our shopping list because of price. For this reason, I think we'll continue to get good but not superior athletes in FA and 'coach em up' to fill in the gaps. We'll definitely draft at least 2 secondary guys, 1 probably will start and 1 will be a developmental guy. Remember, if we get the front 7 in place like we envision doing, the secondary will not have to cover for so long.

Wilson is a guy who was rated very highly the year before last, but we figured he was still good and could be had relatively cheaply, so we went for him. Bell is still injury prone and isn't getting any younger, so while Wilson is viewed as a short term starter alongside Bell, he is also viewed as a long term replacement I'd imagine. I was surprised about the Wilson pickup too, but that's the best rationale I can see from it.

Regardless, we've had good luck improving our secondary guys. We've taken a crew of DB's that didn't make hardly any interceptions and trained them to make those plays. I'm fairly certain that we'll do that again with the new crew. Green reminds many of an improved Goodman who is younger ... and over the last season Goodman really reached his potential. Maybe we can do that with Green?

Value ... that's what we're looking for in the secondary. Guys we can get relatively cheaply and coach 'em up. I was thinking Bodden might be our guy, but the Patriots plucked him. After that, there simply weren't many affordable CB's left. As for S, that's always extremely hard to fill in FA, and dicey to get in the draft, so who knows.
 
Digital said:
I'm not defending the decisions, but I understand their rationale. Our FO firmly believes that games are won in the trenches, and that the defensive front 7 is where the money needs to be stacked on defense. So, with that in mind, there will always be less money for the secondary. Our philosophy is that if we get the best front 7 we can, then the secondary is going to benefit and have to cover for less time in pass coverage and be on the field less to be exposed.

So, we're looking for value picks in the secondary ... 'K-Mart Blue Light Specials' if you will. We wanted to keep Goodman, but his successful season in a contract year meant we couldn't afford to keep him. Those high-profile FA's in the secondary largely weren't on our shopping list because of price. For this reason, I think we'll continue to get good but not superior athletes in FA and 'coach em up' to fill in the gaps. We'll definitely draft at least 2 secondary guys, 1 probably will start and 1 will be a developmental guy. Remember, if we get the front 7 in place like we envision doing, the secondary will not have to cover for so long.

Wilson is a guy who was rated very highly the year before last, but we figured he was still good and could be had relatively cheaply, so we went for him. Bell is still injury prone and isn't getting any younger, so while Wilson is viewed as a short term starter alongside Bell, he is also viewed as a long term replacement I'd imagine. I was surprised about the Wilson pickup too, but that's the best rationale I can see from it.

Regardless, we've had good luck improving our secondary guys. We've taken a crew of DB's that didn't make hardly any interceptions and trained them to make those plays. I'm fairly certain that we'll do that again with the new crew. Green reminds many of an improved Goodman who is younger ... and over the last season Goodman really reached his potential. Maybe we can do that with Green?

Value ... that's what we're looking for in the secondary. Guys we can get relatively cheaply and coach 'em up. I was thinking Bodden might be our guy, but the Patriots plucked him. After that, there simply weren't many affordable CB's left. As for S, that's always extremely hard to fill in FA, and dicey to get in the draft, so who knows.
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I think that Kevin Barnes and Bradley Fletcher would be value at CB. And Barnes' 41 on the Wonderlic- wow.
 
HawkDolphan wonders...

Why would anyone question the moves of this front office? What is there about a turnaround from 1-15 to 11 - 5 that has you people questioning them? When was Parcells ever NOT successful at any stop along the way? Geez. SHUT UP people! I think it is OK to guess which way they may go in the draft or Free agency, but to openly question their moves... It is a shame the rest of the NFL owners don't know you guys so that you can become successful, all-knowing GM's.
 
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