Kenyan Drake - What's His Ceiling?

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  1. Classic

    Classic Well-Known Member

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    I have a raging boner watching this highlight reel. He's so explosive. The jump cuts making people miss in the back field, great vision, excellent pass catcher. I think he's our best offensive player. One of the main reasons I'm excited to watch us play this season.

    What's his ceiling? Who does he remind you of?
     
  2. Mach2

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    Wow. Personally, a pretty girl does it for me, but whatever floats your boat.

    As far as Drake, I too have high hopes. Seems like a complete back with the right attitude, and I'm not particularly worried about durability as some are. In this system, I don't see him getting more than around 20 carries per game, and maybe 5 reception opportunities.
     
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    A raging boner eh?

    I’m leaving this thread.
     
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    Probably 8 feet.
     
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  5. Mach2

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    Nah. I bet some rooms have vaulted ceilings.
     
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  6. KBEE

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    True
     
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    He kind of reminds me of a poor mans Jamaal Charles, and here you go just in case.

    [​IMG]
     
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    white? maybe cream? probably with a couple of lights?
     
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    I'll play along. I think he can get 1200 rushing yards and 500 receiving but he'll likely not get the full work load he would need for that. For this year 800 yards rushing and 300 receiving is realistic
     
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    Has a knack for getting yards that aren’t tbere

    It’s a skill
     
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    He's a talent. If he can stay on the field, I see Demarco Murray as his ceiling.
     
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    I'm not sure who he reminds me of, but I feel like he can be an elite back in this league if he stays healthy. Oozing with talent.
     
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    He reminds me of Marcus Allen. Smoooth.

    Allen was 6' 2" 216 and Drake is 6' 1" 211 as well.
     
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    well drake and thill17 got to proved to nfl world what they can do. it not my job say what he can do?? show me what you can do drake....it all about you drake,,,
     
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    Drake reminds me of OJ Simpson but he is a better receiver.
     
  16. nick1

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    Simpson was a pretty special RB
     
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    I like this comp!
     
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  18. TarHeelFinFan

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    Reminds me a bit of Ladanian Tomlinson
     
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    My favorite two plays on that video are at the 58 second mark the panthers run and then the beautiful spin move against the pats.

    The Carolina play Q gray lead blocks and opens it up for drake and the Patriots play that should have been an easy TFL drake just puts the spin move on and makes something out of nothing.
     
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    That spin move was beautiful
     
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    Ah that is a good comparison. I was struggling to come up w a name in my head. I think you nailed it. Remember Allen’s famous TD run in the SB where he ran to his left, nothing there, turned around and went the other way for a long score? Kind of like the run Drake made in his rookie year :). Good call on Allen.
     
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  22. Mach2

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    Don't be ridiculous.
     
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    That's a big stretch. You let me know when Drake tops 2000, or murders someone. Then you might have a valid argument.
     
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    I'm not being negative about Drake, but you ppl are throwing out names of some of the best backs in history. How about we wait until he's played a season or two as starter.
     
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    I could see him being reggie bush-like, the accelerated after his stop cuts or spins is immediate, I think bush split carries most of his years, he's not bush level of catching. so I could be happy with a in his prime reggie bush
     
  26. Daytona Fin

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    He has had about 8 months of hype now, his window is closing fast. Anything less than league MVP will be unacceptable.
     
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  27. Mach2

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    Shouldn't be a problem being that he's OJ, Marcus, Ledanian, Walter, Emmit, Barry all rolled into one.
     
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    Good comparison. I think Reggie had almost 1000 yards his last season here even though many thought he could never become an every down back. I think this it Drakes upside but with Gore here I think 800 to 900 is more realistic. It will also keep him fresh and limit injuries so his yards per carry should go up.
     
  29. Daytona Fin

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    I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure why those comparisons bother you though. I think most are comparing his size and running style to former greats not accomplishments. Were you expecting Karim Abdul Jabbar comparisons?
     
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    CJ Spiller. Hopefully injuries dont do him in like spiller
     
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    It doesn't "bother" me at all. The players he has been compared to had very diverse styles, so that doesn't make sense either. You think there was any similarity in the styles of OJ, Allen, and LT? They weren't similar at all.

    I realize it's just ppl talking, being excited, but I thought it was borderline silly because Drake hasn't had even one full season carrying the load.

    I like Drake. I prefer him to Ajai by far.
     
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    1086 his first season...986 his second season (but remember there were the conspiracies that last game of the season that we were trying to keep him under 1000 yards for the season)

    plus his second season was with philbin so when he was having a good game or getting hot we would take him out of the game.

    just tried to use a good starter without comparing him to HOF'ers. I'd love for him to turn into a marcus allen, or LT, barry would be my favorite but he's not as thick or have as low of a center of gravity. but yeah gore and drake this year, then ballage and drake for next season, keep em fresh and let KB learn
     
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    I don't really see the Marcus Allen comparison. Allen perhaps more than any other back understood the physics of his size and speed on would be tacklers. He would just make small adjustments while running north-south so that tacklers would only get an arm on him, and he would power through the tackle. I don't see that in Drake.
     
  34. Daytona Fin

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    Drake wasn't afforded the opportunity as a starter because of Ajayi. I think he did a great job once he was given the chance. I'm too lazy to look it up but I doubt all of the aforementioned great rb's were all pros out of the gate.
     
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    When Allen was in KC, the coach (Shottenheimer I think) said he was the best goal line back he had ever seen. I thought it odd at the time, given that he wasn't that big.
     
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    I went to a Pac-10 school when Allen was playing for USC. I remember seeing his stats leading up to the first game against my school, and thinking he must be a Walter Payton or Gale Sayers type player to rack up those big yards. Then you watched him and it was just play after play of 5-10 yards, with no LB ever getting a solid shot on him. He just kept sliding through the line and falling forward. Before you knew it, he had 150 yards and 3-4 TDs. I don't recall ever seeing him get stopped cold at the LOS. One of the most relentless attacks I have seen in football.
     
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    Hi level talent..Marshall Faulk type skillset..dual threat...2000 total from scrimmage ceiling.
     
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    I was referring to height, weight, body type, and graceful style of running.

    Marcus was the first back that came to mind when the question was posed.
     
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    That's a perfect description of Marcus Allen's junior season. I was a USC student and a sportswriter for the school paper. At the Daily Trojan we were literally receiving hate mail every day aimed at Marcus Allen. Students thought he was disgracing the USC tailback tradition of Student Body Right.

    It seems inconceivable more than 35 years later, but that was the reality at the time. I have detailed it here previously. Allen was a head-down small fullback in front of Charles White as a freshman and sophomore. He was very slow to adjust to the tailback position as a junior starter. Very tentative. Too much body lean. Limited instincts. We had an awesome offensive line full of future NFL stars so it was indeed a case of exactly what you described...Allen would burst untouched beyond the line of scrimmage and it looked like 20-25 yards if not a touchdown jaunt. Then some defender from the side would get a hand or finger on his ankle and Allen would immediately sprawl forward and face plant for a maddening 7 yard gain.

    This played out time and again. Hence all the hate mail. Prior to our season finale Allen was sidelined due to an eye injury. The campus rejoiced. Literally rejoiced. Reagan was elected a few weeks earlier and the campus was so conservative there were celebrations everywhere. Then it was like it was happening all over again when Michael Harper was going to replace Marcus Allen as starting tailback against Notre Dame. Again, I realize this reads as absurdity but it is the comparison we were making. I saw students high fiving in front of Tommy Trojan every day while cherishing the fact that Harper would be the starter.

    Fast forward to spring 1981. John Robinson announced that Marcus Allen was the most improved player of spring, and "a true Renaissance player." Robinson was a BSer so we didn't place full stock in it. Not until the season opener against Tennessee months later. Suddenly it wasn't the same player at all. Allen had patience and vision and fluidity and was making the most of every carry. In short, he was everything he had not been as a junior. And it carried over the remainder of that Heisman season and throughout his pro career.

    The legendary Joel Bushsbaum of Pro Football Weekly always said that Marcus Allen from junior to season was the greatest one-season improvement he had ever seen as a personnel analyst. Absolutely. I was there to see both ends of it. But it is remarkable that the story is so little known or recited. People think of Marcus Allen as the great gliding versatile back and assume it was always that way.
     
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    I'm really surprised you would get suckered to that extent. Genius is displayed early. Marshall Faulk was a phenom at San Diego State during his freshman year. He was getting so much press the Aztecs were suddenly receiving more attention nationwide than virtually any of the Pac 10 teams.

    Kenyan Drake was a 4 star recruit, not 5 star. He has always been a nice player but never a star, never someone trusted with a heavy work load.

    That's as much as I need to know. As always, I don't care about offseason adjustments. I know where they are going. It's the reason the offseason is not tolerable and I stay away from boards like this. Any player who had a nice conclusion to the prior season is adjusted up, up and away. There is a blooming online industry devoted to that type of fluff.

    I prefer you are what you are. I'll take my chances with those words, and not particularly care about the minority of occasions in which they let me down.
     
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