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The saving grace for Miami's inactivity in the unrestricted free agent cornerback market has been the thought Miami will simply reach into the draft and pluck one or two solid corners to supply its need -- doing so perhaps as early as the first round.

Well, that may yet happen. But anyone thinking there will be a ton of available excellent cornerbacks in this draft didn't watch the NFL combine when many corners ran disappointing times. And now the "draft gurus" are starting to chime in on the class.

Meet Mel Kiper, draft guru. This is what Kiper says about this year's available corners over at espn.com: "There isn't that one true shutdown cornerback available this year," Kiper says. "And after the subpar 40 times run by the defensive backs at the combine workout, this position isn't really as strong or as deep as originally anticipated."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp.../kiper-no-shutdown-corners-in-this-draft.html
 
jim1 said:
The saving grace for Miami's inactivity in the unrestricted free agent cornerback market has been the thought Miami will simply reach into the draft and pluck one or two solid corners to supply its need -- doing so perhaps as early as the first round.

Well, that may yet happen. But anyone thinking there will be a ton of available excellent cornerbacks in this draft didn't watch the NFL combine when many corners ran disappointing times. And now the "draft gurus" are starting to chime in on the class.

Meet Mel Kiper, draft guru. This is what Kiper says about this year's available corners over at espn.com: "There isn't that one true shutdown cornerback available this year," Kiper says. "And after the subpar 40 times run by the defensive backs at the combine workout, this position isn't really as strong or as deep as originally anticipated."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp.../kiper-no-shutdown-corners-in-this-draft.html
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This is (partly) why I believe we will draft one later in day two. Look at L.Mckelvin in Buffalo, he couldn't even break into the starting lineup and he was selected real high. I'm sure he'll still do really well but people here think we'll draft a first round CB and all our problems are solved. An ILB/OLB would start right away and have more of an impact for us while a CB later is how I see it.
 
Doesn't matter...

Our Defensive philosophy is to get pressure on the QB. We were not able to do that effectively last year. Our number priority last year was to get enough beef up front to stop the run. The first step is done. Step 2 is going to happen this year. Put HEAT on the opposing QB. We don't need and won't get a shutdown corner. Parcells will attempt to get players that pressure the QB this year. I think he will go after English if available, Barwin if he's not in round 1. There are at least 10 corners that would suffice, several will be there in round 2.
 
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the rules work against DB's, the solution?

bring a sick pass rush like the Giants did on the way to the superbowl
 
WaxOn WaxOff said:
Our Defensive philosophy is to get pressure on the QB. We were not able to do that effectively last year. Our number priority last year was to get enough beef up front to stop the run. The first step is done. Step 2 is going to happen this year. Put HEAT on the opposing QB. We don't need and won't get a shutdown corner. Parcells will attempt to get players that pressure the QB this year. I think he will go after English if available, Barwin if he's not in round 1. There are at least 10 corners that would suffice, several will be there in round 2.
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i agree with you, if we add a great pass rusher to this defence, you not only draft one guy, but you draft a presence in the front seven and you immediately give an easier time for the 4 guys back in the secondary... that's been parcell's philosophy since he began coaching.

the problem this year is that i don't know who will be available that is that good. There's no demarcus ware, no shawn merriman, etc this year, at least not at 25... so they should either draft a guy with a high ceiling like barwin or m.johnson, or they should go after someone with unique intangibles later on, a guy like sidbury who has blazing/uncoachable speed as primary attribute , for example , and work him into that special position that is the 3-4 OLB
 
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i agree with you, if we add a great pass rusher to this defence, you not only draft one guy, but you draft a presence in the front seven and you immediately give an easier time for the 4 guys back in the secondary... that's been parcell's philosophy since he began coaching.

the problem this year is that i don't know who will be available that is that good. There's no demarcus ware, no shawn merriman, etc this year, at least not at 25... so they should either draft a guy with a high ceiling like barwin or m.johnson, or they should go after someone with unique intangibles later on, a guy like sidbury who has blazing/uncoachable speed as primary attribute , for example , and work him into that special position that is the 3-4 OLB
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I think M.Johson is getting way to much negative press, he's a guy I could see BP taking because his potential is through the roof. Let's say he flop's or is only decent here and there, you don't really risk alot because his contract isn't all that big and his upside is large enough to take the risk. It's not like the Jets with a top 10 pick where you get punished cap wise if you miss.
I'm not saying we'll go that route but it really wouldn't surprise me if BP/JI were willing to take the risk.
 
JT-forpresident said:
i agree with you, if we add a great pass rusher to this defence, you not only draft one guy, but you draft a presence in the front seven and you immediately give an easier time for the 4 guys back in the secondary... that's been parcell's philosophy since he began coaching.

the problem this year is that i don't know who will be available that is that good. There's no demarcus ware, no shawn merriman, etc this year, at least not at 25... so they should either draft a guy with a high ceiling like barwin or m.johnson, or they should go after someone with unique intangibles later on, a guy like sidbury who has blazing/uncoachable speed as primary attribute , for example , and work him into that special position that is the 3-4 OLB
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Michael Johnson has too high of a bust quotient for #25.
 
3rdandinches said:
I think M.Johson is getting way to much negative press, he's a guy I could see BP taking because his potential is through the roof. Let's say he flop's or is only decent here and there, you don't really risk alot because his contract isn't all that big and his upside is large enough to take the risk. It's not like the Jets with a top 10 pick where you get punished cap wise if you miss.
I'm not saying we'll go that route but it really wouldn't surprise me if BP/JI were willing to take the risk.
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the other thing is his versatility... if, in the end, we draft him and find that he lacks that speed and agility required to play in space at the OLB position, he's got the size to put on 10-20 pounds and shift inside to be a rotational DE... i'm liking this pick more and more but i think he'll be gone, there's no way a team like the patriots or other teams who are getting into a 3-4 system will bypass him in the 15 to 25 range. The negative vibe imo is just a reflection of all the scouts bad mouthing him so he drops... much like the andre smith situation, but let's say that johnson isn't in "bad shape" as he is, speaking of his draft stock and his actual "stock", you know ... ha !
 
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Kiper isn't always right though. He hated the Vikings taking Kevin Williams and loved a bunch of Matt MIllen's draft classes.

Not a dig at Kiper, but I prefer MIke Mayock
 
ChambersWI said:
Kiper isn't always right though. He hated the Vikings taking Kevin Williams and loved a bunch of Matt MIllen's draft classes.

Not a dig at Kiper, but I prefer MIke Mayock
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I was just getting ready to say "Kiper's not always right".
 
I want A. Smith at 25 or D. Butler at 44( if he's there) but I agree that were gonna definately have our pass rush as the number one priority. If we cant have those 2 then I really like Asher Allen in the 3rd or 4th
 
skipp2myloo13 said:
Yes he is, he a OK anaylist, Mayock is much better. Kiper makes crazy calls that never come true just to try to get attention. Yes he is an idiot
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Kiper's an idiot, anyone who thinks that we should draft a WR at #25 is an idiot, blah blah blah.
 
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