Lamar Miller.... not sold

[next-year]

Let me start by saying I like Miller. However, I like him as a change of pace back.


I have been seeing a lot of posts talking about getting him a complimentary back for him. I think we need to get a back that he can compliment personally. Let me dig into this a bit.

Our offense is decent right now but with the edition of a 3 down back could be really dangerous. You look around the league at backs that are doing way more for their offenses than they get credit for. To name a few L. Bell, Jamal Charles, Eddie Lacey, Marshawn lynch, Jeremy Hill; these guys take their offenses to a different level and impact the game the same way a speedy receiver opens us the offense for other players. All of these guys also excel at catching the ball out of the backfield something that Lamar Miller really hasn't been able to consistently do.

I know i can't be the only one who watched games this year and thought, wow if we had a top tier back he would be absolutely crushing it today. Don't get me wrong Lamar Miller did well and I agree he didn't get as many touches as he should have. I really think the 1k milestone is a lot less impressive than people make it out to be.

The way he played in the last game of the season reminded me of a coach winning his last game of the season to win a contract extension during a losing season. I was happy he did well but i kinda of got bummed that our coaching staff may not see RB as a priority. Getting a legit 3 down rb who can take a short pass on 3rd down and break a few tackles to get a first that an average back can't would be a godsend for Tannehill.

I would be happy with any of the top 5 rbs in this years draft. I would take Melvin in the first or i would take the other 4 in the second and third.

This is a fundamental flaw that i think this team has had for a while and i hope Hickey figures out, sure some of our players put up decent stats but they really don't tell the whole story. Lamar miller breaking 1k is the same significance as Hartline breaking 1k for two years in a row to me.

A lot of people say you can find a good running back later in the draft, sure you can but you're a lot more likely to hit on a good one in the earlier rounds. I'm trying to think of an above average starting Rb in the league right now who was drafted in late rounds .

1. Foster
2. Forsett ( took him 5 years to figure it out )
3. Anderson ( jury is still out )
3.Alfred Morris ( 1 dimensional)
4. Blount ( When he tries in the playoffs he's good but he's still a dirtbag which is why he wasn't drafted)

now lets look at top 3 round picks

1.Ppiller ( was doing great before injury)
2.Ray Rice ( top back before suspension)
3. Jeremy Hill ( stud young RB ) playoff team
4. Gio Bernard ( good back got his job taken by a more talented teammate ) playoff team
5. Terrrance West ( bounced in and out of starting unit looks like he will be good)
6. L Bell ( stud young running back with him out of the line up team looked like crap) playoff team
7. J Charels ( the only offensive threat on his team)
8. Ryan Matthews ( when he plays he is very effective)
9. Demarco Murray ( Rushing leader ) playoff team
10. L Mccoy ( stud running back ) 10-6 team
11. Forte ( stud running back behind a horrific oline)
12. Eddie Lacey ( Stud young running back, when he is out of the game there is a drastic drop off) playoff team
13 Adrian Peterson ( Arguably best Rb in the league)
14. Jonathan Stewart ( when he is healthy and doesnt get carries stolen he's above average) playoff team
15.Tre Mason ( young running back didn't the reigns until late in the season but showed he is going to be a very good Rb)
16. Frank gore ( Stud running back for a decade)
17. Marshawn Lynch ( Stud running back does not get enough credit for carrying his offense through numerous games)

I am just pointing out that as much of a passing league the NFL has become the RB is still an absolutely vital position. yeah we can wait and pick someone up but why not take a chance on a better talent at RB. This year has a very good amount of talent at the position in the first 2 rounds I think we should take a shot if one falls to us. It take stress off of Tannehill, O line and Wr's

I know this is a long post


TLDR- Lets draft one of the top tier RB's this year

 

[tfh_rules]

We have Moreno coming back from the elbow injury. With so many other needs on the O-line and defense, we do not need to spend a high pick on a RB.

 

[next-year]

Listen I like Moreno but he's extremely injury prone and getting up there in age.


Assuming we get Albert back on time or within the first couple weeks of the season all we really need is one guard spot filled

Albert Billy turner Pouncey _____ James

 

[fishfanmiami]

i'd like a power runner to compliment Miller but with our other needs probably not in the early rounds. Moreno would be fine if he's healthy. If not maybe one of the free agents.. Williams is good as third back.

That said if Hickey truly goes BPA i'd take Gurley if he's there when we pick.

Good effort on the post OP :up:

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

Listen I like Moreno but he's extremely injury prone and getting up there in age.

He's also not under contract

 

[spiketex]

We have Moreno coming back from the elbow injury. With so many other needs on the O-line and defense, we do not need to spend a high pick on a RB.

Your logic is good and normally I would agree but Melvin Gordon looks incredible and may be available when we pick. It should be strongly considered by the player evaluation experts. The unexpected improvement by Dallas because they developed a powerful running game is significant. Gordon looks like he could be special.

 

[Dolph N.Fan]

Moreno is a FA, him coming back isn't a sure thing. I fine if they take Gordon in rd 1 or Gurley in rd2

 

[Atila]

I agree with your premise but I do not want us to invest any of our top 3 draft picks in the position, personally. We have more pressing needs at OG, LB (all 3 spots), DT, S, CB. I am into upgrading the position, but we have other things that need to be addressed first.

 

[LordTua]

Moreno is a FA, him coming back isn't a sure thing. I fine if they take Gordon in rd 1 or Gurley in rd2

If Gurley makes it to rnd 2, I trade my ass off to get the 33rd pick. Injury or not, some team will spend a first rnd pick on his potential. And rightfully so.

On Topic : Miller really had an under the radar break out season. He played exceptionally well, I'm sure Lazor deserves credit as well. But we saw a little bit of the steal we were supposed to be getting in the 4th round, last year. Now I dont think he's a 3 down back right now, and would love to see someone to split time with him. We may very well have that guy on the roster already in Damian Willuams though.

 

[Dolphin North]

Let me start by saying I like Miller. However, I like him as a change of pace back.


I have been seeing a lot of posts talking about getting him a complimentary back for him. I think we need to get a back that he can compliment personally. Let me dig into this a bit.

Our offense is decent right now but with the edition of a 3 down back could be really dangerous. You look around the league at backs that are doing way more for their offenses than they get credit for. To name a few L. Bell, Jamal Charles, Eddie Lacey, Marshawn lynch, Jeremy Hill; these guys take their offenses to a different level and impact the game the same way a speedy receiver opens us the offense for other players. All of these guys also excel at catching the ball out of the backfield something that Lamar Miller really hasn't been able to consistently do.

I know i can't be the only one who watched games this year and thought, wow if we had a top tier back he would be absolutely crushing it today. Don't get me wrong Lamar Miller did well and I agree he didn't get as many touches as he should have. I really think the 1k milestone is a lot less impressive than people make it out to be.

The way he played in the last game of the season reminded me of a coach winning his last game of the season to win a contract extension during a losing season. I was happy he did well but i kinda of got bummed that our coaching staff may not see RB as a priority. Getting a legit 3 down rb who can take a short pass on 3rd down and break a few tackles to get a first that an average back can't would be a godsend for Tannehill.

I would be happy with any of the top 5 rbs in this years draft. I would take Melvin in the first or i would take the other 4 in the second and third.

This is a fundamental flaw that i think this team has had for a while and i hope Hickey figures out, sure some of our players put up decent stats but they really don't tell the whole story. Lamar miller breaking 1k is the same significance as Hartline breaking 1k for two years in a row to me.

A lot of people say you can find a good running back later in the draft, sure you can but you're a lot more likely to hit on a good one in the earlier rounds. I'm trying to think of an above average starting Rb in the league right now who was drafted in late rounds .

1. Foster
2. Forsett ( took him 5 years to figure it out )
3. Anderson ( jury is still out )
3.Alfred Morris ( 1 dimensional)
4. Blount ( When he tries in the playoffs he's good but he's still a dirtbag which is why he wasn't drafted)

now lets look at top 3 round picks

1.Ppiller ( was doing great before injury)
2.Ray Rice ( top back before suspension)
3. Jeremy Hill ( stud young RB ) playoff team
4. Gio Bernard ( good back got his job taken by a more talented teammate ) playoff team
5. Terrrance West ( bounced in and out of starting unit looks like he will be good)
6. L Bell ( stud young running back with him out of the line up team looked like crap) playoff team
7. J Charels ( the only offensive threat on his team)
8. Ryan Matthews ( when he plays he is very effective)
9. Demarco Murray ( Rushing leader ) playoff team
10. L Mccoy ( stud running back ) 10-6 team
11. Forte ( stud running back behind a horrific oline)
12. Eddie Lacey ( Stud young running back, when he is out of the game there is a drastic drop off) playoff team
13 Adrian Peterson ( Arguably best Rb in the league)
14. Jonathan Stewart ( when he is healthy and doesnt get carries stolen he's above average) playoff team
15.Tre Mason ( young running back didn't the reigns until late in the season but showed he is going to be a very good Rb)
16. Frank gore ( Stud running back for a decade)
17. Marshawn Lynch ( Stud running back does not get enough credit for carrying his offense through numerous games)

I am just pointing out that as much of a passing league the NFL has become the RB is still an absolutely vital position. yeah we can wait and pick someone up but why not take a chance on a better talent at RB. This year has a very good amount of talent at the position in the first 2 rounds I think we should take a shot if one falls to us. It take stress off of Tannehill, O line and Wr's

I know this is a long post


TLDR- Lets draft one of the top tier RB's this year

Very few of those backs would justify a high pick though IMO. Notice how many have qualifiers after them in your own list, like "great back when he's not hurt", or "great when not suspended", or "beat out by a more talented teammate", etc. Then don't forget the busts that didn't even make your list, but my point is that I would never invest such a high pick in a position that usually shortens careers and rarely allows the player to play full seasons. When you move to the middle rounds you have a better shot at value. I would only go high on a once in a lifetime back if I had a team that looked to be close. We have many holes, as usual. I would actually pick up a FA at this position in a heartbeat because you can get good value for your cap space and still not give up a high pick, but not a guy with such an injury history like Moreno, although he's a great teammate and all. Even at his age, I would take Gore in a minute on a shorter deal that would not kill the cap for years to come. Great mentor for Miller BTW since they have trained together, and he might want to come home to finish it out.

 

[rickd13]

No way in hell would I use an early draft pick on a running back with the needs this team has. In fact, the only time I would even consider taking a running in the first round of the draft is if I had a legitimate super bowl contender with no glaring needs other than running back, the team had a late pick in the first round, and the running back I was about to select was the best player on my draft board.
Heading into this draft the Dolphins have glaring needs at wide receiver, defensive back (cb and safety), linebacker, and defensive tackle. With that many important needs staring me in the face, there is no way I would even consider a running back before the third round of the draft. I would only do that if a special talent running back unexpectedly slipped that far.

 

[FSU Truth]

Your logic is good and normally I would agree but Melvin Gordon looks incredible and may be available when we pick. It should be strongly considered by the player evaluation experts. The unexpected improvement by Dallas because they developed a powerful running game is significant. Gordon looks like he could be special.

Melvin Gordon isn't a power runner and had to do very little to get his yards at Wisconsin....that o-line left him untouched a majority of the time and his WR were just as good at blocking...I'm not saying hw won't be a stud, but he had it very easy in college...very few broken tackels and very few plays HE made happen.

 

[Coach_Rob]

lamar is pretty good. we have to stop abandoning the run so early. every game we won we used the running game and weren't one dimensional. that said we need another back regardless. after miller we have no one.

 

[Coach_Rob]

Melvin Gordon isn't a power runner and had to do very little to get his yards at Wisconsin....that o-line left him untouched a majority of the time and his WR were just as good at blocking...I'm not saying hw won't be a stud, but he had it very easy in college...very few broken tackels and very few plays HE made happen.

I like Gordon but I agree with this 100%. Gordon can be a Jamaal Charels type but I don't know. when he played a pretty good front 7 in OSU he got shut down. I honestly would much rather have gurley

 

[tfh_rules]

Your logic is good and normally I would agree but Melvin Gordon looks incredible and may be available when we pick. It should be strongly considered by the player evaluation experts. The unexpected improvement by Dallas because they developed a powerful running game is significant. Gordon looks like he could be special.

Dallas's run game improvement is due to their O-line improvement, starting with the drafting of OG Zack Martin in the first round last year. He's going to the pro bowl as a rookie.
Demarco Murray didn't suddenly get way better all by himself overnight.

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