Lazor vs NFL DC's

[So Be]

Whenever a new coach comes in opposing coaches don't know what he is going to do. They speculate based on available info but, have no film to really go by. To start this year, I would think they looked at our receiving talent an the new OL, believing that we need to stop the pass because they ain't gonna be able to run. Well, that was wrong and now, after 4 games of film, they need to adjust.

However, you have to see on film that there were A LOT of pass plays left on he field, and maybe this QB and receivers are adapting this new O. So, what do you do? Stack the box or, play the pass?

I think Lazor is really looking forward to the rest of this season.

 

[Mudder1310]

You have to play "fair" defense. The read takes advantage of whatever you're not doing right. Stack the box, throw to the outside. Drop in coverage, run up the middle. To stop this sort of offense you need a D line that can control the line and pressure the QB while the rest of the guys pursue, cover, and make tackles.

 

[So Be]

You have to play "fair" defense. The read takes advantage of whatever you're not doing right. Stack the box, throw to the outside. Drop in coverage, run up the middle. To stop this sort of offense you need a D line that can control the line and pressure the QB while the rest of the guys pursue, cover, and make tackles.

Good post. What have you seen us face so far?

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

The problem with the Chip Kelly offense is that it tells you where you are running before the snap and then takes advantage of you if you try to adjust to it. There is an awesome youtube video that discusses the logic behind his running game and why it produces so many chunk yardage plays in the run game. The pistol is designed to run to the ball across the formation. If the RB is on the right side of the QB the run is going to the left side, which gives the OL time to get an extra blocker in place. So the defense starts to overload the side of the formation where the run usually goes. The chunk yardage comes when the RB sees the defense running to the other side and he just runs straight ahead. We have seen this many times already, with Miller always looking to cut it back straight ahead for huge gains. Miller is the perfect back for this system. His burst allows him to get 10 yards down field before anyone can touch him.

I love Moreno and he is great at breaking tackles but his system is designed for small elusive backs with burst. That is why Miller is such a good fit. He is not very elusive but he has great burst to make teams pay for overplaying the cross formation runs. The player that was so perfect was McCoy, and another player that is a cheap mans McCoy is James. James is the perfect player for this system and once he gets up to speed with the playbook I think you might see James moved up from PS. He was the 2nd fastest RB at the combine, Miller was the fastest that year. But James is much more elusive and can break tackles easier. Once he starts seeing the field as well as Miller James could become a factor back. You heard it hear first, I predict James to be getting significant carries in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[slk018]

The problem with the Chip Kelly offense is that it tells you where you are running before the snap and then takes advantage of you if you try to adjust to it. There is an awesome youtube video that discusses the logic behind his running game and why it produces so many chunk yardage plays in the run game. The pistol is designed to run to the ball across the formation. If the RB is on the right side of the QB the run is going to the left side, which gives the OL time to get an extra blocker in place. So the defense starts to overload the side of the formation where the run usually goes. The chunk yardage comes when the RB sees the defense running to the other side and he just runs straight ahead. We have seen this many times already, with Miller always looking to cut it back straight ahead for huge gains. Miller is the perfect back for this system. His burst allows him to get 10 yards down field before anyone can touch him.

I love Moreno and he is great at breaking tackles but his system is designed for small elusive backs with burst. That is why Miller is such a good fit. He is not very elusive but he has great burst to make teams pay for overplaying the cross formation runs. The player that was so perfect was McCoy, and another player that is a cheap mans McCoy is James. James is the perfect player for this system and once he gets up to speed with the playbook I think you might see James moved up from PS. He was the 2nd fastest RB at the combine, Miller was the fastest that year. But James is much more elusive and can break tackles easier. Once he starts seeing the field as well as Miller James could become a factor back. You heard it hear first, I predict James to be getting significant carries in the 2nd half of the season.

I agree mostly. However, this offense/ run game also lends itself to a rb with vision. There are many cutback lanes on this scheme. That is why knowshon is a good fit here as well. Miller has improved but he still has crap vision IMO

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

I agree mostly. However, this offense/ run game also lends itself to a rb with vision. There are many cutback lanes on this scheme. That is why knowshon is a good fit here as well. Miller has improved but he still has crap vision IMO

That is interesting, Miller's vision is what I consider to be his best asset. This scheme is really about two choices and it really doesn't take great vision to run. You are either running to the strong side or cut it back. I know that is over simplifying things but this really is one of the easier schemes to run for a RB. Miller is not a strong runner, not great balance, or change of direction to make defenders miss, but his speed and vision is what I think he does very well. He had great hands in college, but he can't seem to catch very well in the pros. Might need to stop using so much hand lotion before the games.

 

[So Be]

I an FAR from an expert on RB's vision, and overall abilities. All I have seen is that when Miller and DT had some semblance of blocking, they have gained good yardage. Maybe they would have gained more if they had better "stuff" to run with but, don't care as long as they produce.

 

[Zounds]

So, what do you do? Stack the box or, play the pass?

I mostly depends on what kind of players you have, not necessarily the kind of scheme the opposition runs.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

The problem with the Chip Kelly offense is that it tells you where you are running before the snap and then takes advantage of you if you try to adjust to it. There is an awesome youtube video that discusses the logic behind his running game and why it produces so many chunk yardage plays in the run game. The pistol is designed to run to the ball across the formation. If the RB is on the right side of the QB the run is going to the left side, which gives the OL time to get an extra blocker in place. So the defense starts to overload the side of the formation where the run usually goes. The chunk yardage comes when the RB sees the defense running to the other side and he just runs straight ahead. We have seen this many times already, with Miller always looking to cut it back straight ahead for huge gains. Miller is the perfect back for this system. His burst allows him to get 10 yards down field before anyone can touch him.

I love Moreno and he is great at breaking tackles but his system is designed for small elusive backs with burst. That is why Miller is such a good fit. He is not very elusive but he has great burst to make teams pay for overplaying the cross formation runs. The player that was so perfect was McCoy, and another player that is a cheap mans McCoy is James. James is the perfect player for this system and once he gets up to speed with the playbook I think you might see James moved up from PS. He was the 2nd fastest RB at the combine, Miller was the fastest that year. But James is much more elusive and can break tackles easier. Once he starts seeing the field as well as Miller James could become a factor back. You heard it hear first, I predict James to be getting significant carries in the 2nd half of the season.

I would call it the beauty of Chip Kelly's offense, not the problem. It forces the defense to tip it's hand in their assignments & gap controls and the offense can adjust accordingly at the LOS.

Nice bold prediction on James. But I'll predict that if James is ever moved off the PS it will be because of injury and not a performance or production based move.

 

[JakeMcAwful]

Miller's main deficiency is his lateral ability.. He's fast, has become far more physical this year and usually picks good holes but he's slow and awkward looking when tries to cutback or jump lanes. Like mentioned his burst is phenomenal so it usually isn't a problem but if he could cut like Shady or Reggie Bush.. Oh boy. Give Daniel Thomas credit, his lateral agility is fantastic (I'll always remember him juking Revis into tearing his acl) but he often doesn't know where to go with it.

 

[Mudder1310]

Good post. What have you seen us face so far?

It seems pretty straightforward to me. The Chiefs have a very solid D line, but they also got the benefit of short fields and questionable defensive assignments. The Bills have an excellent D line. Pats and Raiders, not so much either way. For consideration, see the Philly/SF game last week. SF with a very solid D line and well schooled LBs shut down the Eagles offense. Stanford has done the same thing to Oregon the last couple years. I think as the team gets better at its read, the Miami offense will improve. But the fundamentals to stopping it are sound. Use your 3-4 best D linemen to clog holes and pressure the QB, LBs make running tackles, corners cover, safeties pursue. It's hard to do for an entire game, especially if your defense isn't sound front to back.