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cleezy13

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I'll say it for the millionth time cause nobody seems to understand.... When you lead the league in sacks (53.7% on two step drops or "short sacks" and league avg was 34.6% on two step drops) last year and lead the league in drops this year by a mile!! No and I repeat no qb would be successful it doesn't work like that period and of story its a fact......Brady, manning, brees, rodgers, marino whoever you want to put in there, all would not have been who they are if guys can't block or catch let alone lead the league in these categories, Thill had to deal with both of these shortcomings back to back years which is not on him .....Also, I love how everyone is comparing him to Henne, Lemon, Beck etc, thats just laughable and shows how ignorant people are. These guys a lot of posters on here that are comparing Thill to absolutely suck because they had a line and guys were catching balls and the still couldn't get it done thats the diff. When comparing at least compare apples to apples.


Additionally, Just some food for thought, off the top of my head there were 3 deep balls for Tds that were perfectly placed which everyone saw (sims against NE, Wallace against NE which he didn't get feet in and should have, and hardline against Buff) Now just add those 3 catches in and Thills stats which he would of had roughly another 130-150 yards, would be at 754- 775 yards, and more importantly a TD to int ratio of 7-2 (one pick was thrown at end of buff game just throwing it up) so really wed be looking at 7-1 td Ratio and completion % around 60%.

Now take those 3 drops off and were still at 9 drops in three games which still leads the league wow!! Imagine how much better his stats would be and what our win column would look like with even half those drops. Its a fact that he would def have a lot more yards and one or two more TDs cause a lot of these drops come at the worst times when we are driving to score. Not to mention our line still isn't really protecting him and the wr aren't getting open (that was all exposed in the KC game no separation from anyone except wallace and when they do they drop it)

Already, just by adding those in he would be close to the league leaders and again that would be with us still leading the league in drops!!!!!

Just to put this in perspective:

Nick Foles leads the league right now with 978 yards, 6 td, 2 int 60% comp, so you can't sit here and tell me RT wouldn't be close to that when with just 3 more catches which i mentioned above would already put him up there and we prob don't even talk about Thills play other than him missing a few throws which is natural why??? New system and its only week 3!!!

People are blind....Everyone on here would be loving if Thill had that stat line (again thats with still leading league in drops) like that which it 100% should be without those 3 drops which these guys get paid millions to do.

AGAIN!! NO BLOCKING + NO CATCHING = NO SUCCESS (yet Thill gets judged as if those aren't enormous factors and its just all on him when these are the most imp aspects in football to having any success all around not just on offense, drops affect your D too) These are basic fundamentals that make or break you no matter how you want to spin it to bash Thill.

These are not excuses for Thill they are facts you can't judge a Qb when he's behind the 8 ball right out the gate for his 2nd and 3rd years its just dumb. That goes for any QB.

This is a non arguable fact that nobody likes to talk about.
 
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I see your point and it makes some sense.
But, if we always have to justify bad play and make excuses, at what point do we realize maybe it is the qb....I mean look around the league do other teams constantly make excuses for their qb? Probably only the bad ones
 
I see your point and it makes some sense.
But, if we always have to justify bad play and make excuses, at what point do we realize maybe it is the qb....I mean look around the league do other teams constantly make excuses for their qb? Probably only the bad ones

There not excuses though they are facts.

and like I said we have lead the league in two of the worst categories you could possibly lead in and as I mentioned you can't accurately judge a qb with that its common sense.

With all that Thill is still putting up some decent numbers and almost had us in the playoffs last year and the year before carpenter kicked us out of playoffs missing FGs sooooo......BTW Thill is a 1,000 times better than any qb on these bad teams and we are still way ahead of them in these categories which you shouldn't want to lead in its pretty sad.

you can also look at it a diff way maybe its RT making us look good?? A lot of QBs in this league would not of had this team one game from playoffs with that setup.

Again any great QB you can mention if they had the worst Oline by a mile one year and a team that leads the league in drops (also by a mile) well then they def wouldn't have been great or at least they wouldn't have been able to showcase their greatness if its there.... It all starts with blocking, catching, and holding on to the ball if you can t do those simple fundamentals everyone looks bad esp the qb and thats an indisputable fact that most people conveniently leave out when bashing Thill.
 
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There not excuses though they are facts.

and like I said we have lead the league in two of the worst categories you could possibly lead in and as I mentioned you can't accurately judge a qb with that its common sense.

With all that Thill is still putting up some decent numbers and almost had us in the playoffs last year and the year before carpenter kicked us out of playoffs missing FGs sooooo......BTW Thill is a 1,000 times better than any qb on these bad teams and we are still way ahead of them in these categories which you shouldn't want to lead in its pretty sad.

you can also look at it a diff way maybe its RT making us look good?? A lot of QBs in this league would not of had this team one game from playoffs with that setup.

Again any great QB you can mention if they had the worst Oline by a mile one year and a team that leads the league in drops (also by a mile) well then they def wouldn't have been great or at least they wouldn't have been able to showcase their greatness if its there.... It all starts with blocking, catching, and holding on to the ball if you can t do those simple fundamentals everyone looks bad esp the qb and thats an indisputable fact that most people conveniently leave out when bashing Thill.

Thill took us out of the playoffs last year.
 
I see your point and it makes some sense.
But, if we always have to justify bad play and make excuses, at what point do we realize maybe it is the qb....I mean look around the league do other teams constantly make excuses for their qb? Probably only the bad ones

So, I see your point and it makes some sense, but I choose to ignore it?

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Thill took us out of the playoffs last year.

After single handedly putting us in position to get in. Something the haters like to ignore.
 
Eli Manning threw a perfect touchdown pass last night that the receiver caught in the end zone, started to put it away and was hit by the safety, the ball flew up in the air and was intercepted. That's one less TD pass and one more interception on his stats due to bad luck. No one is going to put an asterisk by that interception when reviewing his career stats. Dropped passes, toes on the out of bounds line, balls bouncing off hands. All of that happens to every QB in the league. What about 60 yard bombs that are called back because of a holding penalty? Are we going to analyze that and give the QB the 60 yards because it wasn't his fault his guard was holding? If you are going to pump up Tanne's stats, do the same for every QB across the league. Consider all the bad luck every QB has and I'm not just referring to dropped passes. Look at great passes negated by a penalty. Bad plays where the receiver went left and the QB thought he was going right that was incomplete or worse turned into a pick 6. Guys stopping their routes. Not every bad pass is the QB's fault, but we also can't give the QB credit for all the passes that weren't successful when it's not their fault either.
 
Eli Manning threw a perfect touchdown pass last night that the receiver caught in the end zone, started to put it away and was hit by the safety, the ball flew up in the air and was intercepted. That's one less TD pass and one more interception on his stats due to bad luck. No one is going to put an asterisk by that interception when reviewing his career stats. Dropped passes, toes on the out of bounds line, balls bouncing off hands. All of that happens to every QB in the league. What about 60 yard bombs that are called back because of a holding penalty? Are we going to analyze that and give the QB the 60 yards because it wasn't his fault his guard was holding? If you are going to pump up Tanne's stats, do the same for every QB across the league. Consider all the bad luck every QB has and I'm not just referring to dropped passes. Look at great passes negated by a penalty. Bad plays where the receiver went left and the QB thought he was going right that was incomplete or worse turned into a pick 6. Guys stopping their routes. Not every bad pass is the QB's fault, but we also can't give the QB credit for all the passes that weren't successful when it's not their fault either.

Obviously you and most people are still missing the point yeah it happens to all QBs but ask yourself do these other QBs have a team that is the worst in the league in blocking and catching and by worst I mean there isn't even a close 2nd????

Again if were middle of the Road in both none of these threads are brought up for discussion I can guarantee that and thats just middle of the road.

Let me say it one last time if you can't block, catch, or hold on to the ball consistently then you never can succeed thats a fact and its just ignorance to leave that out which everyone does. Everyone looks at the other aspect instead looking at the main aspects which are the two most imp things in all of football and the cause of the other things people want to bring up. period end of story!
 
I want Tannehill to improve his awareness and accuracy, but the most pressing position that needs improvement is Lazor. He's got to draw up better plays for everyone to run that have a higher chance of success.
Too many times someone is out of sync or trying to do something they're not elite at.
Sims running for a deep pass TD -- I mean... if I'm on D, you could've fooled me with Dion Sims running to the end zone, but at the same time there's that issue from the get-go, the guy's Not a burner. Why him out of anyone else to run that route? You're hurting the chance of that play succeeding by choosing him. Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Also the number of times Tanne has to hit Wallace on-point with a clean route. He's just not really that type of WR. You have to launch it and let him run after it.
The time-and-again 3rd and short passes are very precarious. I'm not sure why you want to bet on Tanne's accuracy and WR's getting open in very tight space. Running the ball, or play action and letting Tanne run it himself, is just as effective, and gets the ball going forward sooner and away from defenders. Gets Tanne out of the pocket too.
 
Eli Manning threw a perfect touchdown pass last night that the receiver caught in the end zone, started to put it away and was hit by the safety, the ball flew up in the air and was intercepted. That's one less TD pass and one more interception on his stats due to bad luck. No one is going to put an asterisk by that interception when reviewing his career stats. Dropped passes, toes on the out of bounds line, balls bouncing off hands. All of that happens to every QB in the league. What about 60 yard bombs that are called back because of a holding penalty? Are we going to analyze that and give the QB the 60 yards because it wasn't his fault his guard was holding? If you are going to pump up Tanne's stats, do the same for every QB across the league. Consider all the bad luck every QB has and I'm not just referring to dropped passes. Look at great passes negated by a penalty. Bad plays where the receiver went left and the QB thought he was going right that was incomplete or worse turned into a pick 6. Guys stopping their routes. Not every bad pass is the QB's fault, but we also can't give the QB credit for all the passes that weren't successful when it's not their fault either.

When an offense is not running efficiently, it only makes sense to dig deeper than the stats to figure out why. Dropped passes do happen to every QB, but when the number is out of whack, it makes sense to look at it.

Likewise, when discussing the problems of the QB, it helps to have a little perspective on how other similar QBs are performing. Otherwise, we spend a ridiculous number of posts exaggerating issues and comparing the QB to hypothetical standards.
 
So, I see your point and it makes some sense, but I choose to ignore it?

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After single handedly putting us in position to get in. Something the haters like to ignore.

Does that make it right?
 
For the record Tannehill was pretty damn accurate last game the wr were just blanked the whole time no separation and when open they dropped it.

The fact of the matter is Thill has missed some plays but that is overshadowed by all the plays he did make that our wr didn't come thru on and as I alluded to earlier his stats are far diff even with 3 more catches (close to the top of leader board) and thats with still leading the league in drops?

Nobody can intelligently argue any of those things cause they are facts!!!

Kind of like OBAMA supporters they look at everything but the facts yet argue against facts and actually build a case of lies to themselves instead of looking at well the facts, which is ignorance at his finest lol. sorry had to get political for a min.
 
Thill took us out of the playoffs last year.

Actually it was the same bottom feeding porous OL that in the Buffalo game getting Tannehill sacked 7 times and injured who took us out of the playoffs last season. Brady couldn't have won that game.. cuz he sure couldn';t overcome our defense's punishment the week previously. Granted that Tannehill, whether still injured or not, and losing Hartline during game 16 definitely came up short.

However on the other hand, considering the sack record contending bottom 28-32nd ranked OL by 4 out of 5 analytics that Tannehill had to work with, the yips of our rookie kicker, the injury to one of our few red zone threats in Keller before the season even started, the downing of Gibson, the most dependable 3rd down and TD conversion receiver the previous year, the schizzoid nature of the 26th ranked running game, the distractions that reverberated from Martin's hissy fit over being treated the way most 18 year old frat pledges would welcome, it's amazing that he got us even into contention going into that Buffalo game. And more amazing that he beat 4 playoff bound teams (keep in mind that Sanchez only beat 5 whose starters were in and competing over 4 years in regular season).

So certainly a case can be made that he played a large part in the Jets melt down but just as strong a case can be made how amazing it was that Tannehill ever got us into serious playoff contention at all. :up:

 
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Actually it was the same bottom feeding porous OL that in the Buffalo game getting Tannehill sacked 7 times and injured who took us out of the playoffs last season. Brady couldn't have won that game.. cuz he sure couldn';t overcome our defense's punishment the week previously. Granted that Tannehill, whether still injured or not, and losing Hartline during game 16 definitely came up short.

However on the other hand, considering the sack record contending bottom 28-32nd ranked OL by 4 out of 5 analytics that Tannehill had to work with, the yips of our rookie kicker, the injury to one of our few red zone threats in Keller before the season even started, the downing of Gibson, the most dependable 3rd down and TD conversion receiver the previous year, the schizzoid nature of the 26th ranked running game, the distractions that reverberated from Martin's hissy fit over being treated the way most 18 year old frat pledges would welcome, it's amazing that he got us even into contention going into that Buffalo game. And more amazing that he beat 4 playoff bound teams (keep in mind that Sanchez only beat 5 over 4 years in regular season).

So certainly a case can be made that he played a large part in the Jets melt down but just as strong a case can be made how amazing it was that Tannehill ever got us into serious playoff contention at all. :up:


Your exactly Right Vaark Thill didn't play good in Jets game but we should of had playoffs wrapped up prior to that and it truly is amazing he got us in contention. I can't tell you how many games we lost cause of sacks it was unreal esp on game winning drives. (Ravens, Buff, and Car game stick out all should have been wins)

This QB has had to deal with the worst situation of all time. Along with the blocking and not catching the injuries to key players as you mentioned was huge.

Yeah he beat:

Luck
Roth
Brady
Ryan
Wilson
Dalton
Rivers
and should have def beat Cam and Flacco if not for sacks

This is all in a horrible situation as mentioned before in this thread and above.. You can't just look past that!!
 
He was a large reason in the 2nd half of the year for us getting into playoff position and then the large reason for us missing it.

Just more par for the course with his inconsistent QB play.

Oh and btw QB's don't play each other. I roll my eyes every time I see a poster claim "Well he beat so and so QB".
 
Look...no question that Tannhill has had some accuracy issues....but make no mistake this is a team effort.....poor receiver play.....poor interior pass blocking....glaring holes at linebacker....poor coaching.....and yes....Tannehill has not been as good as I want him to be.
 
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