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[moorestok]

You all are missing the point:fire: Saban knows our best chance to win a few more games this year is running the ball more often!! But he also knows that to be a special team in the future our offense has to be able to score 30 plus points per game, you cant do that being a run oriented team.. he hired linehan to set the tone for our offense of the future. they will keep passing more and along the way aquire players built for this system.. If saben was focused on winning with the personnel we have now, we would be the same as the wanny teams, 11-5 and an early exit from the postseason,arnt we all tired of that?? Teams that score points (30) plus per game, win the games in december and january when not only is their own defense nicked up and tired but so is everyone elses. you see we always lost in december to good teams like the pats because our def could not sustain their level of play deep into the season,(nobody,s can) in the salary cap era. so im all for linehans system of passing more than running, because in this age of parity, its who scores the most points that have success!!!

 

[vinivedivichi]

I think you make a good point, but you have to remember that for right now it's Saban's job to maximize the potential of this team. The fact is, we just don't have the personnel to be successful running a more agressive style offense. Don't assume that because Saban wants us to run the ball a lot this year, that that is his overall philosophy. When the pieces are in place, I think we'll open it up a bit more.

 

[tay0365]

You all are missing the point:fire: Saban knows our best chance to win a few more games this year is running the ball more often!! But he also knows that to be a special team in the future our offense has to be able to score 30 plus points per game, you cant do that being a run oriented team.. he hired linehan to set the tone for our offense of the future. they will keep passing more and along the way aquire players built for this system.. If saben was focused on winning with the personnel we have now, we would be the same as the wanny teams, 11-5 and an early exit from the postseason,arnt we all tired of that?? Teams that score points (30) plus per game, win the games in december and january when not only is their own defense nicked up and tired but so is everyone elses. you see we always lost in december to good teams like the pats because our def could not sustain their level of play deep into the season,(nobody,s can) in the salary cap era. so im all for linehans system of passing more than running, because in this age of parity, its who scores the most points that have success!!!

Like the Pats? Oh wait the Pats don't exactly have that many 30 point games to speak of, so you must mean like the Rave....no wait, the Ravens did not score that many points either when they won the big game. Nope sorry, can't really agree with that.

 

[kastofsna120]

Like the Pats? Oh wait the Pats don't exactly have that many 30 point games to speak of, so you must mean like the Rave....no wait, the Ravens did not score that many points either when they won the big game. Nope sorry, can't really agree with that.

pats have routinely scored over 30 points a game in the past 4 years

 

[dQbell]

Like the Pats? Oh wait the Pats don't exactly have that many 30 point games to speak of, so you must mean like the Rave....no wait, the Ravens did not score that many points either when they won the big game. Nope sorry, can't really agree with that.

Great point...

 

[Bellson]

ahhh i wouldnt necessarily say you made good points. Of course I'm going to be a fan of seeing 30 points or more posted up on the scoreboard if all possible. But at the same time, you made a comment of its all about passing to put wins in a teams columns. I'll contradict that by using an easy example over in Pittsburgh which pounds the ball play after play running. This drains not only drains the clock and opposing D's but allows them to protects leads. We do not have the receiver core to focus primarily on passing. Look at the games we relied on that, all losses. Look at the game where we ran the ball 30+ times, what did we come out with?? Yes, Wins. Its easy to come out and say lets use a west coast style of offense and air it out like Linehan is known for, but we just dont have the talent. The solution is to keep a balanced offense that focuses more on the run in we want to keep putting W's in our column.

 

[Coral Reefer]

Last week everyone was complaining that we did not run enough and Linehan wasn't adjusting the game plan to the strenghts of the team. This week we ran all over the place so I really don't understand why this discussion is being brought up again.

On another note, you all know VERY WELL what will happen if we give up on the pass and become predictably run oriented. We've lived through the years of teams knowing that we can't and won't pass. You have all seen what that will do to the success of the running game with 8 people in the box completely selling out vs. the run.
An offense can't work that way either.

Give the OC and the coaching staff a break will ya!
They are not dealing with a full deck yet.

 

[DaFish]

Last week everyone was complaining that we did not run enough and Linehan wasn't adjusting the game plan to the strenghts of the team. This week we ran all over the place so I really don't understand why this discussion is being brought up again.

On another note, you all know VERY WELL what will happen if we give up on the pass and become predictably run oriented. We've lived through the years of teams knowing that we can't and won't pass. You have all seen what that will do to the success of the running game with 8 people in the box completely selling out vs. the run.
An offense can't work that way either.

Give the OC and the coaching staff a break will ya?
They are not dealing with a full deck yet.

I do agree with you on the "not concentrating on either run or pass". However, I think a balance of the two equals a better chance of winning football games. I am not saying that it will make us a powerhouse or anything but it will give us a better chance to win games. It is basic football knowledge that you must keep the defense on their toes. I think after this last week that the Phins are going to start to build an idenity with the weapons that we have. We will see more balance between run and pass and I do think we will see some close games IF we can score early and not have to pass to play catch up.

 

[TouchDown]

As the experts on Sirius tell us, you have to score points to win enough games to make the playoffs. To win in the playoffs, you have to have a great defense.

 

[moorestok]

how many points did new england allow in the sb last year . when is the last time pittsburgh made it to the sb, your missing my point to win the superbowl you have to score points. new englands d isnt great, they allow 20 points all the time but they score 30:fire:

 

[DaFish]

As the experts on Sirius tell us, you have to score points to win enough games to make the playoffs. To win in the playoffs, you have to have a great defense.

Agreed but we are not talking about the playoffs just yet. I think we can make the playoffs but I don't think we will go deep. If we make the playoffs this year I will celebrate. I have been tortured as you all the last few years. I just want to see some improvement. It would be something to look forward to next year,that is for sure.

 

[shellgh0st]

You all are missing the point:fire: Saban knows our best chance to win a few more games this year is running the ball more often!! But he also knows that to be a special team in the future our offense has to be able to score 30 plus points per game, you cant do that being a run oriented team.. he hired linehan to set the tone for our offense of the future. they will keep passing more and along the way aquire players built for this system.. If saben was focused on winning with the personnel we have now, we would be the same as the wanny teams, 11-5 and an early exit from the postseason,arnt we all tired of that?? Teams that score points (30) plus per game, win the games in december and january when not only is their own defense nicked up and tired but so is everyone elses. you see we always lost in december to good teams like the pats because our def could not sustain their level of play deep into the season,(nobody,s can) in the salary cap era. so im all for linehans system of passing more than running, because in this age of parity, its who scores the most points that have success!!!

First, the Falcons and Steelers, both running teams made the championship games last year. That disproves your theory that you cant win as a running team. And all the teams in the championship game had great defenses. That was the one thing they all had in common.

Second, you play to win the games. If you do not create a winning attitude early, you'll always be a loser. Winning attitudes come from WANTING TO WIN. Not by planning on winning 3 years from now. Not by holding the team back this year.

Just because you are rebuilding doesn't mean you dont try to win at all costs. You try to win every game and in doing so, you find out which players 'want it' and which players dont 'want it'

 

[Phinadict]

If I read your original post correctly, you are saying that Saban is not trying to win now?!? I turned you off right there.

 

[DaFish]

First, the Falcons and Steelers, both running teams made the championship games last year. That disproves your theory that you cant win as a running team. And all the teams in the championship game had great defenses. That was the one thing they all had in common.

Second, you play to win the games. If you do not create a winning attitude early, you'll always be a loser. Winning attitudes come from WANTING TO WIN. Not by planning on winning 3 years from now. Not by holding the team back this year.

Just because you are rebuilding doesn't mean you dont try to win at all costs. You try to win every game and in doing so, you find out which players 'want it' and which players dont 'want it'

Hold on there. Yes Pitt was for the most part a running team but did you see how Big Ben could throw defenses off balance when he started passing. It is true that you can win running the ball BUT not without some passing to back it up. Look at the Phins the year Ricky showed up. Ricky chewed up carries and spit out yards but .......well you know what happened. You need balance!!!

 

[guido13]

You all are missing the point:fire: Saban knows our best chance to win a few more games this year is running the ball more often!! But he also knows that to be a special team in the future our offense has to be able to score 30 plus points per game, you cant do that being a run oriented team.. he hired linehan to set the tone for our offense of the future. they will keep passing more and along the way aquire players built for this system.. If saben was focused on winning with the personnel we have now, we would be the same as the wanny teams, 11-5 and an early exit from the postseason,arnt we all tired of that?? Teams that score points (30) plus per game, win the games in december and january when not only is their own defense nicked up and tired but so is everyone elses. you see we always lost in december to good teams like the pats because our def could not sustain their level of play deep into the season,(nobody,s can) in the salary cap era. so im all for linehans system of passing more than running, because in this age of parity, its who scores the most points that have success!!!

I have to disagree. Most of the dominant teams have been defense, ball control teams. Granted many have at least solid QB's. But the high flying, high passing, high scoring teams never win the big ones (ie. Colts, Miami and Marino, Vikings, etc). Anyone with football knowledge or involvement will tell you, defense, a good running game and TOP wins games. If we turn into a passing first offense we will be fun to watch but never will be able to win the big games. Look at the Marino years. Yeah it was fun and you always knew a game was within reach, but without a solid defense AND a running game, we couldn't win the big games. Look at the Steelers, Giants, Chiefs, San Diego, Patriots. They all have solid running games. When a team runs the ball 20 or more times they are more likely to win.

Yes a good QB helps (ie Roethlisberger, Brees, Manning, Brady) but their teams win only if they are able to run the ball. When they rely on the pass, they lose. Period.

These QB's keep off balance, are accurate and make good decisions. But it is by no means pass oriented. Look at Big Ben's numbers, he hardly ever passes.

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