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i know, it's a bit long but i think it's worth a read...

the great dave wannstedt once said his reason for starting a particular quarterback was because "he gives us the best chance to win." today, gus frerotte give us the best chance to win. tomorrow, he might as well. but with each day as aj feeley gets more reps, the gap between them, if there is any at all, continues to move in aj's favor.
let thecoordinator break it down for you.

the most intriuging thing so far in camp is the fact that gus was brought in because of his familiarity with offensive coordinator scott linehan's system, yet at this point has still not seperated himself from a qb that is in his third different system in as many years. what does that tell me? given time in this system, aj will be alot better than frerotte. why do i think that? because as a quarterback, you are not at your best in any system until your timing and feel for the secondary routes are second nature. you cannot achieve this by merely studying the playbook. it only happens with repetitions. gus has had two plus years of reps, albeit mostly as a backup, and is still, in my opinion, a below average starting qb in this league and more particular in linehan's system.

most of aj's experience so far has been throwing to the primary reciever. he has a better feel for the timing and ball placement on these routes because this is where the majority of his throws have gone in practice. therefore, he feels more comfortable and will lock on to this reciever waiting for him to get open. why does he continue to do this now the same as he did last season? because his quarterbacking at the college and pro level prior to arriving in miami was all in the west coast offense. the wco is mostly short passes, and route combinations that are often the same. in other words, it is common in a west coast system to have both the flanker and split-end as well as the tight end running the same routes, whether it be slants, curls, posts etc.. this allows you to make a presnap read based on the defensive alignment and visualize in your head which one of your recievers is going to be open. if your read doesn't work out, you can dump it off to a back in the flats and move on.

in a vertical offense like linehan's with multiple reciever sets, you need to create space and run off coverages. therefore you will have multiple route combinations that will feature as many as 5 unique patterns in one play. this requires knowing the system inside and out, knowing where all of your recievers are going to be, and knowing where the open reciever will be if the primary is covered. the only way to be effective in this offense is with experience. aj does not have that. let me hammer this point home before i move on.

scott linehan arrived in minnesota in 2002. prior to that, dante culpepper had posted quarterback ratings of 83 and 98 in his first two nfl seasons. in dante's first season under linehan, he posted a career low passer rating of 75, throwing more interceptions (23) than touchdowns (18). in his second year in linehan's offense,

culpepper improved substantially, compiling a qb rating of 96 with 25 tds and only 11 interceptions. so what happened last year as dante spent his 3rd consecutive season under linehan's tutelage? culpepper had his best season to date, throwing for over 4700 yards with 39 tds and 11 ints to boast a fat 110 qb rating. quite a progression from his first season in linehan's offense.

so as one qb has progressed in linehan's system, it appears the other has not. though frerotte was a backup in minnesota and attempted all of one pass in 2004, this is his 3rd year under linehan. as culpepper's numbers indicate, this should be the season gus becomes very effective under linehan. however, it just hasn't been the case. in the 2004 preseason, as a precursor to his regular season explosion, culpepper posted a passer rating of 134, completing a staggering 77% of his passes with 5tds to just 1 interception. frerotte, however, did not fair as well, managing only a 75 qb rating with 1 td and 3 ints. it just so happens that a year later frerotte has the same meager 75 qb rating, showing no progression within the system. granted, there are variables involved that make this situation for frerotte somewhat diffrent in miami than in minnesota, but a 75 passer rating is a 75 passer rating any which way you look at it.

a team like miami, who the majority of coaches, players, fans and experts around the nfl will agree, has begun a recronstruction procress to repair the damage left by dave wanstedt. nfl franchises in this situation expect to be less competitive for two to three years while a new system is put into place and player additions/subractions gel until everything falls into place. gus frerotte has already shown what he is capable of as an nfl qb after 12 years in the league; being a quality backup with a career passer rating of 76. given his lack of progression in linehan's system and his age, it is very unlikely there will be any substantial improvement at this point or over the course of the next few years.

because saban did not draft a franchise quarterback in his first nfl draft with the dolphins, starting frerotte this season would be counter productive to miami's long term goals. it is undetermined what aj feeley will be capable of in scott linehan's offense because he hasn't had a single season to get comfortable with it. because miami gave up a second round draft pick for aj, they need to run aj out there in this new system and give him an opportunity before deciding to cut their losses. if feeley shows progression from week to week as the starter, the dolphins then have the option of drafting someone other than a franchise quarterback in 2006, and thus can avoid taking on two top-five-pick contracts in consecutive years. it also shortens the amount of time miami can expect to compete, because as indicated by dante culpeppers numbers, it takes time to develop in scott linehan's system. drafting or signing a free agent quarterback next offseason would make this season a complete waste from a quaterback development standpoint.


despite saban's willingness to admit the dolphins are a long way from where they need to be, as any coach or player will tell you, they always believe there is a way they can win now. no one wants to endure a 4-12 season like miami did last year, much less back to back 4-12 seasons. starting frerotte might prevent that from happening this season, but by what? two maybe three wins? the bottom line is the dolphins still wouldn't make the playoffs, and in the process fail to see if their second round draft pick would have developed within linehan's system.

gus frerotte is not leading us to the playoffs, guys. not this year, not next year, or any year thereafter. and though right now to most of us it seems improbable to impossible that aj feeley ever will, from every aspect of our franchise, this is the guy that needs to be our starter this year.

 
:clap: :clap: :clap: great post man, i totally agree with you. gus shouldn't be here to start for this team and lead them to 1 or 2 more wins. He should be here to help AJ with the system when necessary because he's had experience in it. Now i dont think that gus is playing all that poorly this preseason, i'll hand alot of the blame to the offensive line for the one fumble against the steelers, AJ needs to be in there just because this is a rebuilding year, and if we start gus it is a 100 percent guarantee we need a quarterback in next years draft/FA. If we start AJ this year its not quite that high. If the O line can protect AJ i honestly believe he won't make many mistakes, granted he has performed horribly when not protected, but you really can't expect him to throw 30 TD's when he has to constantly be worried about getting crushed. Even with all the weapons we have their no good to us if we haven't the time to use them..
 
Fantastic analysis. I would say however that it's clear to me that AJ is improving on second and third reads which I agree come from familiarity. Additionally it's becoming more obvious that he has taken to heart the fact that you can't throw interceptions and has purposely begun to throw the ball away when nothing is there. One other aspect that I find interesting is how Feeley handles the pressure as oppposed to Gus. Feeley has half a season playing behind our porous line and knows that he isnt going to have good protection that often.Gus however still thinks he's behind the Vikings line and acts surprised when there's a pass rush or missed block. The final thing in Feeley's favor is his arm which is both accurate and strong. He is the only QB who can make the difficult throw when everyone knows its coming.

Unfortunately, I think Saban wants to get the media recognition that he is a genius and therefore went into the preseason thinking he would start Frerotte hoping to improve to 7-9 or 8-8. He would be hailed by the Miami media if that happened. Funny though is the fact that Gus has stunk up the joint so badly that you can tell Saban is actually considering giving the job to Feeley. I think it'll come down to Frerotte's performance against Tampa. If gus looks good he'll start the season. If he sucks again it'll be Feeley.
 
You know what makes me the most skeptical of all of that? It seems mental with AJ, not physical. I think you can coach around or sometimes even fix physical shortcomings, but I just don't know that I see the mental part of the game ever clicking for AJ. With Gus, it seems more like a physical thing. I have been staying out of this debate, but this makes me wonder if maybe I shouldn't be putting myself in the Gus camp.
 
I agree with the original post in a different way. I think that Gus should start and...I know this sounds silly, but AJ should learn from Gus. Not because Gus is a stud QB, or even a starter in the league, but because he is familiar with the system. I beleive they are both equal at this point, but Gus has the edge because of the experience. If AJ has time to learn, he will be much better...
 
Why's everyone always saying that Frerotte will not take us to the play-offs, this year or next? I think that will be the least of our worries at the moment. We need to concentrate on winning the first game and then move on from there. This is true no matter who plays QB. The play offs are a long ways off I fear.
 
Great analysis -- you actually converted me to the Feeley camp. I do think that if there isn't much separation between them come regular season, Feeley should start for all the reasons you mentioned. And right now it doesn't look like there's going to be much separation between them. Last week was looking differently, but the Pitt game showed otherwise.
 
Great post man.


It really seems like Gus is just a stop gap. I hate that. I rather tough it out. I think AJ is improving.
 
I am also one that has tried too stay out of going for one or the other. But it really doesn't seem like Gus is truly any better. In which case if he isn't i would rather go with the younger guy if it is really that close. And if he fails well then we always have the draft to look forward to. because I really think we are drafting a Qb next year. It just seems like a big piece of the puzzle that Saban would need.
 
Great post! I have my doubts about Frerotte. I definitely think Feeley has a better upside as far as age and abilities and I also agree with a previous poster that its mental with him right now. I haven't been a big Feeley homer as some people refer to supporters of his on this board. I just wonder how much effect his nightmare season from last year affected his mental process and mechanics. He has happy feet and doesn't go through his progressions very well and has a tendacy to lock on his primary receiver. He is not fragile as shown last year and can take a pounding. Until our offensive line improves and gets some continuity we need a QB who can take a beating. Oh yes and in closing I don't think Saban has an ego problem, he has a team with a lot of problems that he is trying to improve and he has made no promises. At least when he has a press conference we don't have to hear how he is going to get things cleaned up.
 
Funny you bring up Daunte and the fact that he didn't play at all his first year. Maybe the system is just too much for a QB to learn in one year. Quite possibly AJ is being scouted to see if he can learn this system, while a QB that does know the system mans the position while teaching the "young" guy.
 
Plus if AJ couldn't figure out Wanny's system, why the heck would he be able to figure out a complex system like Linehan's?
 
Batman13 said:
Funny you bring up Daunte and the fact that he didn't play at all his first year

no he was in the league 3 years before linehan got there, and didnt play at all as a rookie. he did start 2 years prior to linehan getting there in all 3 of linehans seasons with minny.
 
Good post, man. You summarized perfectly and even taught me something. I didn't know about the west coast offense route patterns being identical in some plays.
 
Well done coordinator. Thanks for the time you put into writing this post.
 
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