Long Ball Success

[rickyfan85]

I'm just gonna say it plain and simple. Of the past 12 seasons that i've been devoutly following this particular football team, i can honestly say that i have never seen this much success with the deep ball completions. This is somthing that we rarely had here in Miami, Especially when Dan left. But it seems like after we lost Irving Fryer to the Eagles that year, we had trouble completing the deep ball and i mean trouble that lasted up until this year IMO. Maybe it would have been different if Yatil Green didint have back to back ACL tears that probably ended his career, but thats a seperate issue.

What i'm trying to say is that Chad's had more success with it than anyone of our QB's since 96, and that includes Marino. Sure Chad's throws might not be 10,000 miles per hour but if he has a man thats not necessarily even open but has a favorable matchup, he bombs the ball out there and unlike MOST QB's in this league he's got tremendous accuracy with the deep balls he throws.

Now what tripps me out is how many people that still come here and say that Chad has a weak arm and he cant throw the long ball. I mean i might have believed you more if this was like the 3rd pre-season but we're 12 weeks into the season and i have absolutely no idea how somone who watches the games cannot see it for themselves how good his deep balls are.

But for one reason or another, I feel i should poll the public and see what the mass thinks about our success with the long ball in this season versus prior seasons dating back to 1996. Personally I say that Pennington has been the most successful.

And also please post a comment in support of your vote. I dig feedback.

And remember Bernie Kosar was demoted to 3rd string in 96 so all of you Kosar homers please dont bring him up he was at the worst stage of his career that season. I'm talking 96 and beyond only.

 

[xxAQUA JOSHUAxx]

I've seen more yards after the catch than +20 yard passes.

 

[rickyfan85]

I guess "deep ball" is a vague term, i guess i should say "Bomb Toss" to more accurately define what i'm referring to.

 

[Dolpfan_72]

Dan Marino no contest. Everyone else on that list except Pennington is a scrub and has less accuracy deep than an aerosol can.

 

[xxAQUA JOSHUAxx]

That bomb pennington threw to ginn to start the 2nd half in the pats game was perfect. That list brings back bad memories but i picked marino.

 

[tylerdolphin]

Nothing against Pennington, I love the guy, but Marino had a better deep ball. His completion percentage may not necessarily say so, but I'm willing to bet he threw a lot more of them that Pennington and the defense respected and played around that threat more so than against Pennington.

Nothing against Penny. He has been awesome and made some sweet throws this year, but comparing him to Dan isnt fair. Its easier to connect on deep passes when the defense doesn't live in constant fear of the deep ball.

 

[rickyfan85]

Ok you guys may have mis-interepreted what i was saying. Who did we have the most SUCCESS with. I watched dolphins football all throughout Marino's last 3 years. I assure you those werent his best by any means, partly due to the fact that he lost alot of talented starters after 1995 and we were never able to find a vertical threat. I mean Mcduffie would always come up with the big 3rd down catches but man i could count on my hand the number of bomb tosses we saw.

Now granted, if it was before irving fryer left yeah i'd say dan's got unbeatable skill. but the people they brought in to replace the key loss to philly was Fred Barnett. He was here for a few years and my god he's got hands of brick. and he was supposed to be our verticle threat but he could never get seperation from the corners, even when they were pressing hard at the line. Yatil green was a bust. We strug big on gadsden but once again he's another SLOW guy he does not present the verticle threat of ricky, ronnie, ginn especially, bess, and even camarillo when he was healthy atleast.


So granted, Dan may have been able to toss the ball better, but i just rarely saw it succeed ever when he was here post 96 to the end of his career. Penny still in my book.

 

[rickyfan85]

Nothing against Pennington, I love the guy, but Marino had a better deep ball. His completion percentage may not necessarily say so, but I'm willing to bet he threw a lot more of them that Pennington and the defense respected and played around that threat more so than against Pennington.

Nothing against Penny. He has been awesome and made some sweet throws this year, but comparing him to Dan isnt fair. Its easier to connect on deep passes when the defense doesn't live in constant fear of the deep ball.

But during dan's last 3 years they didint have a deep threat. We had like the slowest receivers in the league. I mean yeah they had good hands but thats it. We would always get bumped hard at the line, they would blitiz, and dan would get injured because no one was fast enough to get open and generate respect from opposing secondarys.

 

[FinsNCanes]

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Is this a joke?

 

[miamifan291]

That bomb pennington threw to ginn to start the 2nd half in the pats game was perfect. That list brings back bad memories but i picked marino.

That was far from perfect. If Pennington had a stronger arm ginn catches that in stride and pulls away. If you watch the replay on nfl.com, ginn is basically jogging the whole time, cause he knows if he runs full speed he would be out of pennington's range. Now in terms of putting it right into his arms, then yeah it was a nice throw.

 

[SR 7]

Dan Marino no contest. Everyone else on that list except Pennington is a scrub and has less accuracy deep than an aerosol can.

Marino threw more bombs in a single game then penny has all year.
THrowing 1 35 yard pass evrey 6 game avg is not something to judge off.
Pennington threw a nice deep pass and very accurate but also rem. you have one of hte fastest guys in the NFL chasing that ball down so you'll RARELY over throw him but as we can see from all those deep passes they have been underthrown except for the flea flicker one. If penny does it MORE OFTEN you will see miami more dangerous but it wont happen now b/c Cam is out and u will almost CERTAINLY see double coverages on ginn the whole game.

 

[SR 7]

That was far from perfect. If Pennington had a stronger arm ginn catches that in stride and pulls away. If you watch the replay on nfl.com, ginn is basically jogging the whole time, cause he knows if he runs full speed he would be out of pennington's range. Now in terms of putting it right into his arms, then yeah it was a nice throw.

extremely well said, evaluated and judged my friend ! :up:
You have a good eye for the game. If it was in stride taht was a 80 yard TD or w/e it was, and if the one against buffalo to open the game was in stride taht was another 80 yard bomb. ALL of the passes to ginn in stride woudl have been bombs b/c he beats his guy by about 2 yards before he starts to adjust to the underthrown ball. Im telling you guys its going to be like DC adn Moss or Brady and MOSS when henne steps in.

 

[Dolfan5000]

All I have to say about Pennington has 12 total tds to 6 ints, one bad safety that was not his fault as protection dropped within 2 seconds after he had to rollout. His deep ball stats are some due to the talent infusion we've had in our offense this year but mostly due almost all to Pennington's calm and knowledge of the game.

Say you pad five more games onto his stats and he'll have about 20 total TDs and maybe 11 picks. I can live with that after the ****pile of qbs we've had to deal with over the past few years. fer sure
BTW I picked Penny lol

 

[SR 7]

That was far from perfect. If Pennington had a stronger arm ginn catches that in stride and pulls away. If you watch the replay on nfl.com, ginn is basically jogging the whole time, cause he knows if he runs full speed he would be out of pennington's range. Now in terms of putting it right into his arms, then yeah it was a nice throw.

extremely well said, evaluated and judged my friend ! :up:
You have a good eye for the game. If it was in stride taht was a 80 yard TD or w/e it was, and if the one against buffalo to open the game was in stride taht was another 80 yard bomb. ALL of the passes to ginn in stride woudl have been bombs b/c he beats his guy by about 2 yards before he starts to adjust to the underthrown ball. Im telling you guys its going to be like DC adn Moss or Brady and MOSS when henne steps in and might be one of the most explosive WR to play next year.

 

[PYRO]

Marino hands down, no arguement there.

But Penny (this season) has completed almost every deep ball he has tried to throw. Ginn has caught almost every deep ball thrown his way.

Now I will say this, Penny is a very smart QB and therefore he won't throw the deep ball when there is a man blatantly open shorter. So when he does see the opportunity he makes sure it counts.

Marino is definitely better, but this season Penny has shown tremendous accuracy when he bombs one out there.