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Ekinger

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Here are my concerns. He's not young anymore which in and of itself will effect his mobility. He will have been out of football nearly 3 years if he doesn't play the rest of the season. He won't have played good football in close to 4 and that includes when he was healthy.

Very few if any, play poor football for 4 years in the middle of their careers, sustain a potentially career ending injury and come back to anywhere near their prior form.

I don't know the exact terms of his deal, but we need a qb of the future, not the past. We need a guy that can play for us for 10 years. Daunte may be a good teacher and with his injury and poor play a restructured contract shouldn't be too hard to work out especially since very few would be interested at all. It could certainly be incentive laden as well.

We trade our top 5 for a later 1st rounder and a 2nd 2nd rounder (if we aren't giving a 2nd rounder away already, think we are as part of the Daunte deal). We get a qb late 1st round and then fill rest of the spots in the 2nd and later. Daunte is the starter for a year or two or whatever it looks like he can handle and the late 1st rounder learns. Push for a guy that is a Junior who is debating coming out of college football until he graduates.

Secondly deal Joey and deal him fast, he's no better than Frerotte or Feeley. He may be worse. I say start Cleo for the rest of the year, Marcus is the backup and trade Joey now for a 2nd or 3rd year potentially promising LB or D lineman. I'm sure Detroit, GB, MN, BUFF, AZ and several others would be interested in Joey as a backup/starter.
 
Ekinger said:
Secondly deal Joey and deal him fast, he's no better than Frerotte or Feeley. He may be worse. I say start Cleo for the rest of the year, Marcus is the backup and trade Joey now for a 2nd or 3rd year potentially promising LB or D lineman. I'm sure Detroit, GB, MN, BUFF, AZ and several others would be interested in Joey as a backup/starter.

Ummmm ... Ok... first, we "deal Joey" and Cleo starts.
who backs Cleo up?
second... you honestly think Detroit would be a trading option for Joey?

:wall:
 
WharfRat said:
Ummmm ... Ok... first, we "deal Joey" and Cleo starts.
who backs Cleo up?
second... you honestly think Detroit would be a trading option for Joey?

:wall:


I think we should trade the Mascot....I wonder what we could get for him?
 
we already gave up the 2nd for daunte in this past years draft. getting rid of daunte wouldnt help us out at all in terms of cap. i dont think any team would give up a promising player for joey right now either. personally im for lets see what daunte could do after rehabbing for a few more months and improving the talent around rather than just get rid of him.
 
Ekinger said:
Here are my concerns. He's not young anymore which in and of itself will effect his mobility. He will have been out of football nearly 3 years if he doesn't play the rest of the season. He won't have played good football in close to 4 and that includes when he was healthy.

Very few if any, play poor football for 4 years in the middle of their careers, sustain a potentially career ending injury and come back to anywhere near their prior form.

I don't know the exact terms of his deal, but we need a qb of the future, not the past. We need a guy that can play for us for 10 years. Daunte may be a good teacher and with his injury and poor play a restructured contract shouldn't be too hard to work out especially since very few would be interested at all. It could certainly be incentive laden as well.

We trade our top 5 for a later 1st rounder and a 2nd 2nd rounder (if we aren't giving a 2nd rounder away already, think we are as part of the Daunte deal). We get a qb late 1st round and then fill rest of the spots in the 2nd and later. Daunte is the starter for a year or two or whatever it looks like he can handle and the late 1st rounder learns. Push for a guy that is a Junior who is debating coming out of college football until he graduates.

Secondly deal Joey and deal him fast, he's no better than Frerotte or Feeley. He may be worse. I say start Cleo for the rest of the year, Marcus is the backup and trade Joey now for a 2nd or 3rd year potentially promising LB or D lineman. I'm sure Detroit, GB, MN, BUFF, AZ and several others would be interested in Joey as a backup/starter.

Detriot for Joey??????

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Vick as backup??????

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
 
There are plenty of teams that need an experienced backup and Detroit is definitely one of them. He's been there and if anyone could make him better Martz could. Many teams would give up a 2nd or 3rd string LB for JH. Frankly 2nd or 3rd string would be better than Pope and even Thomas at times. Thomas is a lot like Junior now. He'd be great if he didn't have to be relied on the whole game. He's too beat up to be an every down LB.

Marcus backs up Cleo, that's obvious. The bottom line is, whomever came at QB, things wouldn't get any worse.
 
By the way I didn't say get rid of Daunte, I said restructure with incentives. Whatever he's being payed it's too much.
 
Ekinger said:
There are plenty of teams that need an experienced backup and Detroit is definitely one of them. He's been there and if anyone could make him better Martz could. Many teams would give up a 2nd or 3rd string LB for JH. Frankly 2nd or 3rd string would be better than Pope and even Thomas at times. Thomas is a lot like Junior now. He'd be great if he didn't have to be relied on the whole game. He's too beat up to be an every down LB.

Marcus backs up Cleo, that's obvious. The bottom line is, whomever came at QB, things wouldn't get any worse.

uhhhhh

He cried in Martz's office, he was run out of town, the fans hate his guts!

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Vick ??? Oh my goodness!
 
Oh my goodness what? Vick/Cleo would be absolutely no worse than Harrington right now, probably would be better.
 
Fortunately, a qb with as many starts as Harrington has had is still valuable even if they are as bad as Joey is.
 
Can you imagine how bad our offense would be in Cleo started? I dont honestly think he will even be back with us next year. I think we will keep Daunte and Joey since that is the only logical thing to do (not trade either of them away). If we ever meet the point next year that we need a third QB we can opt for Vick. I agree with the point you raise about trading our top 5 pick for a later 1st and another 2nd ( BTW we traded last years second for Daunte). That was we will have four picks in roughly the first 70.
 
Ekinger said:
Here are my concerns. He's not young anymore which in and of itself will effect his mobility. He will have been out of football nearly 3 years if he doesn't play the rest of the season. He won't have played good football in close to 4 and that includes when he was healthy.
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He just turned 29. That's still pretty young for a QB.

Nearly 3 years out of football? Oct 2005 -> Aug 2007 ?? Not sure how you get 3 years out of that - even discounting the fact that he was in all the mini-camps and training camp this year.

Good football in close to 4 years? Dec 2004 -> Aug 2007????

Must be the "new" math.
 
hof13 said:
He just turned 29. That's still pretty young for a QB.

Nearly 3 years out of football? Oct 2005 -> Aug 2007 ?? Not sure how you get 3 years out of that - even discounting the fact that he was in all the mini-camps and training camp this year.

Good football in close to 4 years? Dec 2004 -> Aug 2007????

Must be the "new" math.

My thoughts exactly. :sidelol:
 
SuperBowlin07 said:
Can you imagine how bad our offense would be in Cleo started? I dont honestly think he will even be back with us next year. I think we will keep Daunte and Joey since that is the only logical thing to do (not trade either of them away). If we ever meet the point next year that we need a third QB we can opt for Vick. I agree with the point you raise about trading our top 5 pick for a later 1st and another 2nd ( BTW we traded last years second for Daunte). That was we will have four picks in roughly the first 70.

NO!!!! Please enlighten us on JUST HOW BAD the offense would be with Cleo...how would you even KNOW?

Granted it was preseason, blah, blah, blah. But he still played well earlier this year, and the coaching staff is high on him. If there is truly a competition at all positions (as the coaching staff continually reiterates), then Cleo will again have the opportunity to showcase his talents heading into next season.

Give the guy a break. He IS a third-string QB now, but that's only because there are two veteran QBs ahead of him with starting experience. I think Cleo was a good find and should be given some respect.

That said - Vick deserves some respect too, for making our roster, but not as the third-string QB just yet...

LET'S STOP ALL THE NEGATIVITY...!!!
 
Oops, I was off a year, good football in 3 years and out of football for nearly 2. And he'll be 30 next year. That's old for a qb, especially one that relies on his mobility as much as DC does.

Does it matter whether it's 2, 3 or 4 years? If you are out of football and haven't played well in 2 to 4 years, it's nearly impossible to regain pro bowl form.
 
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