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Never takes long around here. Not surprised.
a certain member made sad fun of “midgets” and victims of the Flint water victims but you know he’s a cool dude because FH said so and he didn’t directly make political references
 
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Just based on where they were always rated. Walton was a high 4 star recruit who entered the draft a year early and was picked in the 4th round. Gaskin was a 3 star recruit who stayed all four years and was picked in the 7th round.

I remember when Miami won the recruiting battle for Walton. It was considered a really big deal considering all the major offers he had, including Florida State and Florida, etc.

Walton is quick and elusive and can catch the ball. He became injury prone his final season with the Canes. I think it started with the game at Duke, which I attended.

Then he ran the disappointing 40 at the combine. Prior to that there had been some talk about late 2nd round or within the 3rd round.

The off field stuff really didn't begin until he left college. Fans on Canes sites mostly dismissed the first one because it didn't seem to fit his reputation. Then the second one was a jolt and by the third time it's difficult to believe he's not some type of jerk.
The star-rating of a player has nothing to do with their supposed success in the NFL.

I've seen you mention that several times and there's zero point of mentioning what a player's star rating was in terms of his ability for the NFL. It does not correlate.
 

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I don't like the guy but he's a lot more than a camp body. He was drafted in the 4th round about 20 spots ahead of Ballage and nobody was ranting that it was too high
He also seems like an idiot who, based on a string of arrests in a short period of time, is too stupid to realize his potential.
 

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Do you condemn ranchers and country folk for carrying guns hanging in their window like this too? The law states, you can carry. But just the right way. He simply was carrying the wrong way.
I don't speak for who you replied to, but there's zero issue with a player who carries a gun for protection, as long as they are doing so legally.

I would have a gun too if I was important/wealthy.
 

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When you lived in this country, did you never drive over the speed limit?

We cant change the laws, as dumb as some may be. But we can judge them based on how idiotic they may be.
Being dumb enough to drive way too fast while possessing weed and an illegal firearm is pretty idiotic. Those crimes are mostly self-inflicting, though. If he had assaulted somebody or was selling the weed, it would be worse.

But it still isn't good.
 

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I don't speak for who you replied to, but there's zero issue with a player who carries a gun for protection, as long as they are doing so legally.

I would have a gun too if I was important/wealthy.
Can you cite a single time when an NFL player, while carrying a firearm, made the situation better with that firearm?

Because there have been dozens of instances when that firearm made the situation worse.
 

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Can you cite a single time when an NFL player, while carrying a firearm, made the situation better with that firearm?

Because there have been dozens of instances when that firearm made the situation worse.
Plenty of players carry/own firearms without issue, hence why you don't read news stories about them.
 

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I have very little faith that Walton has suddenly changed his ways, and will never get in trouble again.

But like Preston Williams, I think the Dolphins are smart to take a flyer on Walton. They have 90 spots to fill. He was a 4th round pick who had some great games in college. I hope he has learned from his mistakes, and that someday he makes the Dolphins look brilliant for signing him.
 

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I don't speak for who you replied to, but there's zero issue with a player who carries a gun for protection, as long as they are doing so legally.

I would have a gun too if I was important/wealthy.
Awwww ur important to us.... carry a gun
 

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The star-rating of a player has nothing to do with their supposed success in the NFL.

I've seen you mention that several times and there's zero point of mentioning what a player's star rating was in terms of his ability for the NFL. It does not correlate.
I'll continue to mention it and emphasize it. I actually don't do it nearly as much as warranted. If you don't understand the value of early excellence, I feel sorry for you but I am not surprised. The vast majority of fans and analysts are remarkably ignorant along those lines. That's why the same type mocks preseason ratings while never bothering to recognize their incredible accuracy, given the burden of identifying so far in advance. That fan mindset translates to placing absurd overboard emphasis on most recent games and results instead of the totality. I concede that nothing I say here will ever change that. It is the reason we had ping pong opinions on Ryan Tannehill depending on the week, when actually nothing of note ever changed.

5 star players are more likely to be drafted, more likely to make All Pro, more likely to make the Pro Bowl, and so forth. There have been countless studies. The star ratings are still in their infancy, which is why this is not well known. In 20 years or so it will seem silly that anyone ever argued against this. The star ratings have also become more accurate as more services are doing it and more video is available. That's why it is so difficult to unearth a hidden gem. The Canes were finding lesser rated players in the '80s and '90s who would be near the top of the recruiting rankings today.

The raw numbers is what throws people off, and leads to some silly assertions. The number of 3 star to 4 star to 5 star is hardly linear. It dwindles exponentially. That's why no kidding many 3 star players make it. There are so many of them. As always my spotlight is on more likely than not. Do the right thing. Steal percentages in your favor. Prioritizing the higher rated guys enables that type of hidden value, while ignoring them sticks a team in the ignoramus category, destined to overdraft Crowd players and therefore remain a Crowd franchise.

Here are just a couple of links, the first one depicting star rating toward being drafted, and the second one toward making the Pro Bowl. I grabbed the first things atop the Google list given the search terms I used, instead of scrambling for ones that exaggerated in my favor. As I mentioned, this type of examination is still in its infancy but the findings have all been along the same lines. They will continue to move in that supporting direction as more data is available. I appreciate the CommonManFootball guy on YouTube because he is not a conventional wisdom type, paralyzed by recency. He is the first I've seen who smartly incorporates high school results, particularly among quarterbacks, and also age of the prospect.

https://247sports.com/Article/NFL-Draft-recruiting-rankings-go-hand-in-hand--117819292/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2017-pro-bowl-rosters-do-recruiting-star-ratings-actually-predict-nfl-success/
 

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So... you cant cite a single time that having that gun deescalated a conflict or saved a life?
Right! Those are stories that aren’t heard about. I’m 100% confident, there have been times where an athlete was in a bad spot, showed a pistol and the situation didn’t escalate.
 

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Right! Those are stories that aren’t heard about. I’m 100% confident, there have been times where an athlete was in a bad spot, showed a pistol and the situation didn’t escalate.
So, your imaginary situation somehow equals the dozens of times that NFL players have gotten into deep trouble because of the presence of unneeded firearms...

Gotcha.
 
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