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Why Ngata Is the Pick

I think he will be the only player taken in the draft who will redefine his position on the field. There are other great players in this draft, but none will change the way the game is played at his position IMO.

All the Gilbert Browns, Ted Washingtons, Sam Adamses, and Keith Traylors of the world used to be taken out of the game on passing downs.

Not anymore.

Ngata is 6'5" 340 and runs a 4.85 40. He'll be caving in NFL pockets on passing downs. Either that or he'll be absorbing two or more blockers so other guys can.

EDIT: this is from a post of mine at the back of the thread. A lot of people read only the first post, so here goes:

What Ngata would do by keeping us from substituting a man on passing downs is keep a 340-pound guy in the game who requires at least two blockers. The typical DTs and DEs who are substituted into the interior of the defensive line on passing downs don't require two blockers -- they're too light (Jay Williams, Zgonina, Rob Burnett, etc.). So Ngata would be absorbing two guys on passing downs -- imagine what that'd look like with one of Saban's all-out blitzes going on, with linebackers flying through the vacated spots in the middle around Ngata.

And Ngata wouldn't just allow us to keep from substituting a man -- what he'd also do is allow us to switch from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and vice-versa before the snap. As it is now, you won't see Keith Traylor in a 4-3 because he's too slow, so we don't have that option with him. Anything we do now in a 4-3 usually involves Zgonina and Holliday at DT, and neither of them can move to the traditional, "Ted Washington" NT position in a 3-4.

Ngata would give us that versatility and allow Jason Taylor a lot more freedom to freelance around the field, moving from the DE to the OLB position as we switch from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Nobody would know WHAT Jason Taylor was going to do after the snap, and it'd be because of Ngata's versatility in the middle.

And the other thing is that Traylor isn't getting any younger. We need a young guy who can do what he does, and Ngata can do even more. Those "Ted Washington" guys are pretty hard to come by, especially young ones, and they're a cornerstone of Saban's defense. It's a pretty important spot.

Yet another thing is that Ngata has the kind of toughness and intensity on the field that Saban is trying to cultivate in this team. I don't think it'd take long for him to become the SYMBOL of the defense -- a huge, tough, nasty guy who dominates on the line and sets an aggressive tone for the defense. If Saban is trying to create an intense and aggressive culture on the team, we need guys like Ngata who exemplify it.

And don't think we wouldn't put him in on offense in goal line situations. Jon Gruden took a relatively soft offense and made its attitude a whole lot nastier just by putting Warren Sapp in there at the goal line.
 
I guess that Reggie Bush guy needs to show something if he really is going to get that #1 pick.
 
Mr Yu said:
I guess that Reggie Bush guy needs to show something if he really is going to get that #1 pick.
Reggie Bush is a great player, but the NFL has already seen the likes of him (Warrick Dunn, Barry Sanders, Tatum Bell, etc.).

There has never been a 340-pound player running a 4.85 40 on an NFL football field.

Never.
 
shouright said:
Reggie Bush is a great player, but the NFL has already seen the likes of him (Warrick Dunn, Barry Sanders, Tatum Bell, etc.).

There has never been a 340-pound player running a 4.85 40 on an NFL football field.

Never.

PLEASE NEVER SAY Sanders with the names Dunn and Bell in the same sentence..all that does is look badly upon you.
 
ether79 said:
PLEASE NEVER SAY Sanders with the names Dunn and Bell in the same sentence..all that does is look badly upon you.
I figured we'd stray from the main point pretty quickly. That happens a lot around here.

I mentioned those names because they all have characteristics of Reggie Bush. Bell is about the fastest RB you'll find in the league, and Dunn is about the shiftiest. Sanders is a guy Bush will probably never be better than, so mentioning him will satisfy all the Bush lovers.
 
If Ngata's talent can translate into the NFL, we could possible have solidified our DLine with 3-4 youth for the next 5+ years with Vickerson, Wright and Ngata all within 2 drafts.

But, until this offense get's it's QB, this teams going nowhere.
 
shouright said:
I think he will be the only player taken in the draft who will redefine his position on the field. There are other great players in this draft, but none will change the way the game is played at his position IMO.

All the Gilbert Browns, Ted Washingtons, Sam Adamses, and Keith Traylors of the world used to be taken out of the game on passing downs.

Not anymore.

Ngata is 6'5" 340 and runs a 4.85 40. He'll be caving in NFL pockets on passing downs. Either that or he'll be absorbing two or more blockers so other guys can.

He is a very intriguing prospect, no doubt. If we can't get Leinart or the best LT on the board I am all for drafting him. He is a beast!
 
shouright said:
I figured we'd stray from the main point pretty quickly. That happens a lot around here.

I mentioned those names because they all have characteristics of Reggie Bush. Bell is about the fastest RB you'll find in the league, and Dunn is about the shiftiest. Sanders is a guy Bush will probably never be better than, so mentioning him will satisfy all the Bush lovers.

I'm not a bush "lover" I like Ngata as our pick he is a great pick and anything you want in a DT and would love us drafting him, period. But don't compare the RBs you did.
 
CashInFist said:
He is a very intriguing prospect, no doubt. If we can't get Leinart or the best LT on the board I am all for drafting him. He is a beast!
I think you take Ngata whether Leinart or Ferguson are there or not. This guy is the BPA in the draft IMO just because he's so unique and can do so many things for a defense.

Even if Leinart becomes Peyton Manning and Ferguson becomes Jonathan Ogden, Ngata may become someone no one has EVER been.
 
NathanHunt said:
If Ngata's talent can translate into the NFL, we could possible have solidified our DLine with 3-4 youth for the next 5+ years with Vickerson, Wright and Ngata all within 2 drafts.

But, until this offense get's it's QB, this teams going nowhere.

Thank-you.
 
shouright said:
I think you take Ngata whether Leinart or Ferguson are there or not. This guy is the BPA in the draft IMO just because he's so unique and can do so many things for a defense.

Even if Leinart becomes Peyton Manning and Ferguson becomes Jonathan Ogden, Ngata may become someone no one has EVER been.

I'd love to have Ngata. But you don't take him over Leinart.
 
ether79 said:
I'm not a bush "lover" I like Ngata as our pick he is a great pick and anything you want in a DT and would love us drafting him, period. But don't compare the RBs you did.
I never said those guys belong in the same category with each other. All I meant was that they have Bush's characteristics, so the NFL has already seen the likes of Bush. The NFL has never seen anything like Ngata.
 
theres always a risk taking dtackles...look at Ryan Sims for the chiefs, and the 3 DT's the rams have taken
 
NathanHunt said:
If Ngata's talent can translate into the NFL, we could possible have solidified our DLine with 3-4 youth for the next 5+ years with Vickerson, Wright and Ngata all within 2 drafts.

But, until this offense get's it's QB, this teams going nowhere.

Ngata in the 1st
Culter or Pinager in the 2nd
CB in the 3rd
 
NathanHunt said:
If Ngata's talent can translate into the NFL, we could possible have solidified our DLine with 3-4 youth for the next 5+ years with Vickerson, Wright and Ngata all within 2 drafts.

But, until this offense get's it's QB, this teams going nowhere.
QBs can be had in other ways.

6'5" 340-pound guys who run 4.85 40s can't.
 
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