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Finding A Quarterback

Dolfans

I am going to give my two cents on this much talked about subject.

As of today 8/20/05 the QB in miami is at a crossroads and I am not certain Coach Nick Saban truly has an idea on what direction he wants to go in.

Having Gus start over A.J. would be the safe direction aswell allow you to move towards finding another QB from outside the organization.

If AJ starts regardless of his performance you can make the agrument that he is in a developmental stage this season(considering it would be his second offense in two years).

To me the question is either QB the one that will be quarterbacking Miami when they play their first post season game under Saban?

I feel that like many dolfans the answer lies beyond Feeley- Ferroutte(sp)
while I dont think that Gerrard from Jax or Davey from N.E. is the answer either and I am certain that Leinhart or Jacobs would only led to more growing pains for the next 2 seasons.

I feel that for Miami to grow as an offense and blossom as a true power they must find the quarterback that has NFL experience and is NFL ready to start.

There are a few that are primed like a Brett Favre or a Trent Green( does anyone remember Wanny claiming that their was no signifigant difference between Green and feidler to warrent Miami trading for Green?) players that have shown they have a pedigree for success given the chance.
I understand Spiellman researched all the "young" QB's in the league and decided that Feeley is the best choice, except Feeley never led a team he was back up at every level of football.
One question I have had concerning Feeley( and John Madden reinforced this idea of Feeley simply not having enough game playing experience) why not send him to NFL Europe isnt that the place to develope young NFL players that have talent but not experience?

I believe there are 4 players in the league that can be had and they given a chance to be the #1 QB will be winners.

4-Billy Voleck= Playing behind McNair he gets a chance 2-3 times a year to start and prove given a chance either in Tenn. or elswhere he can play.
he would fit into the Trent Green model as in has played some and played well just needs a chance to be the full time starter.

3-Patrick Ramsey= again another player here where his enviroment has always been apart of his percieved failure, under the 'ol ball coach he was jerked around and his pro development retarted with Gibbs I feel he was never shown any faith (after all Washington broke the bank for a broken down qb,then drafts a QB in the 1st rnd who he himself had only one successfull year)so if given a chance to be the #1 qb and learn one system he has the talent unquestionably- yes their are some major concerns in regards to his mental make up so this would be a gamble, however I view this again like a Trent Green situation proven he can play and play well just needs the chance to the man.

2-Dave Raggone= Not a popular name, yet may be the best chance he has been the back up to former overall #1 David Carr in Houston, has played very little NFL games but played well in NFLE where he showed the ability to throw accurately and wisely.
He has a connection to O-Cordinator Linehan playing QB under Linehan at Louisville and being one of College footballs best players for his time at Louisville, I would make a Brett Favre comparisone here( cleary not in talent only in his situation in regards to his NFL team)like Favre Raggone is playing behind the teams franchise QB so a new team may just be what he needs to show his full talent.

1- Phillip Rivers= Ofcourse the crown jewel of lost NFL ready QB's he has all the tools (talent/smarts/and draft status) plus the backing of one the greatest QB of all (marino) and is in a situation where his future clearly lies beyond San Diego.
If I where an NFL GM I would ask myself who is going to be a better player not only next year in terms of playing right away, but in 5 years
Rivers or Linehart to me the answer is easy Rivers so I do what I have to to trade for him.
 
I like Ragone, bring him in to compete........

BIO: Conference USA Offensive Player of the Year every season since his sophomore campaign. Completed 54.8 percent for 2,687 yards passing with 23 TDs and 10 INTs as a senior after 60.3 percent-3,056-10-7 the prior year and 61 percent-2,621-27-11 his initial year as the starting QB.

POSITIVES: Hard throwing lefty coming off a sluggish senior campaign. Sets up to deliver the pass with solid fundamentals and good footwork, sees the field and buys time for receivers. Throws the ball with an over the top motion, has a quick release and the intermediate passes have good speed. Senses the rush, gets outside the pocket and loses nothing throwing on the run. Displays a solid sense of timing, hits receivers in stride or immediately as they come out of their breaks. Withstands the rush in the pocket, very tough and takes a pounding yet gets the throw off. Pulls the ball down and takes off up the field if nothing is available and runs like a power back or linebacker after the interception. Very competitive and does not give up.

NEGATIVES: Early in college did not make bad decisions in the pocket but did more forcing of his throws and trying to get the pass into covered receivers as a senior. Not on the same page as his targets last year and was hit so many times he seemed to get antsy in the pocket, quickly pulling the ball down or shuffling his feet before throwing the ball.

ANALYSIS: Looked as though he developed a bad case of cabin fever due to the inadequate talent blocking for him in 2002 and the poor targets on the opposite end of his passes. Did more spraying of his passes last season then in the past. Did comeback and have a great throwing workout at the Scouting Combine. Possesses the physical skills to be a productive starting QB at the next level. A prospect that may slip down draft boards and could turn out to be a real bargain.

PROJECTION: Early Second Round

Im liking him more and more......bring him in.



 
what about Kitna i belive he is a freeagent after this yr we could bring him in to play while we develop the qb we will probably draft(i suggest paul pinegar;) )
 
I dont mind any of those. I am a Ragone fan and think we could get him cheap but at the same time AJ is as good as any of the ones you just mentioned. Gus sucks and should be not allowed anywhere near the starting team barring an injury. So if we cut Gus I say go with any of those 4
 
zodiak said:
Dolfans

I am going to give my two cents on this much talked about subject.

As of today 8/20/05 the QB in miami is at a crossroads and I am not certain Coach Nick Saban truly has an idea on what direction he wants to go in.

Having Gus start over A.J. would be the safe direction aswell allow you to move towards finding another QB from outside the organization.

If AJ starts regardless of his performance you can make the agrument that he is in a developmental stage this season(considering it would be his second offense in two years).

To me the question is either QB the one that will be quarterbacking Miami when they play their first post season game under Saban?

I feel that like many dolfans the answer lies beyond Feeley- Ferroutte(sp)
while I dont think that Gerrard from Jax or Davey from N.E. is the answer either and I am certain that Leinhart or Jacobs would only led to more growing pains for the next 2 seasons.

I feel that for Miami to grow as an offense and blossom as a true power they must find the quarterback that has NFL experience and is NFL ready to start.

There are a few that are primed like a Brett Favre or a Trent Green( does anyone remember Wanny claiming that their was no signifigant difference between Green and feidler to warrent Miami trading for Green?) players that have shown they have a pedigree for success given the chance.
I understand Spiellman researched all the "young" QB's in the league and decided that Feeley is the best choice, except Feeley never led a team he was back up at every level of football.
One question I have had concerning Feeley( and John Madden reinforced this idea of Feeley simply not having enough game playing experience) why not send him to NFL Europe isnt that the place to develope young NFL players that have talent but not experience?

I believe there are 4 players in the league that can be had and they given a chance to be the #1 QB will be winners.

4-Billy Voleck= Playing behind McNair he gets a chance 2-3 times a year to start and prove given a chance either in Tenn. or elswhere he can play.
he would fit into the Trent Green model as in has played some and played well just needs a chance to be the full time starter.

3-Patrick Ramsey= again another player here where his enviroment has always been apart of his percieved failure, under the 'ol ball coach he was jerked around and his pro development retarted with Gibbs I feel he was never shown any faith (after all Washington broke the bank for a broken down qb,then drafts a QB in the 1st rnd who he himself had only one successfull year)so if given a chance to be the #1 qb and learn one system he has the talent unquestionably- yes their are some major concerns in regards to his mental make up so this would be a gamble, however I view this again like a Trent Green situation proven he can play and play well just needs the chance to the man.

2-Dave Raggone= Not a popular name, yet may be the best chance he has been the back up to former overall #1 David Carr in Houston, has played very little NFL games but played well in NFLE where he showed the ability to throw accurately and wisely.
He has a connection to O-Cordinator Linehan playing QB under Linehan at Louisville and being one of College footballs best players for his time at Louisville, I would make a Brett Favre comparisone here( cleary not in talent only in his situation in regards to his NFL team)like Favre Raggone is playing behind the teams franchise QB so a new team may just be what he needs to show his full talent.

1- Phillip Rivers= Ofcourse the crown jewel of lost NFL ready QB's he has all the tools (talent/smarts/and draft status) plus the backing of one the greatest QB of all (marino) and is in a situation where his future clearly lies beyond San Diego.
If I where an NFL GM I would ask myself who is going to be a better player not only next year in terms of playing right away, but in 5 years
Rivers or Linehart to me the answer is easy Rivers so I do what I have to to trade for him.
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I think its more likely that SD will let Brees go instead of Rivers. Brees carries absolutely no cap hit if the Chargers do not re-sign him at the end of this season. Trading Rivers would take a serious chunk out of their cap.
 
qb position

saban may be forced to reassess or qb situation and look to a defferent QB. couch is one of them but he is a gamble. my suggestion is to look at billy volek. last year he had 2 400+ passing games including 497yds. he had 19 TDs in only 12 games. he is very good with the long ball which chambers and boston will like. and he is the same age as feeley. he has shown his potential to be a starter but is stuck behind McNair so why not trade for him
 
he won't be stuck behind mcnair much longer- i guarantee that before the season finishes he will have supplanted him. Theres no quick fix at qb, we should re-build as best as possible this year and draft a qb next year. We'll be truly ready in 3 years or so
 
Whoever they get should be able to run\scramble. I believe with the offensive line struggles we have we need to have a mobile QB, How are the QB's mentioned above at scrambling and throwing on the run?
 
Qb

man you All are looking Outside thepin At QB's i think Dolphins Up and comeing QB is already in miami ppl i have a feeling if Brock is Kept after preseason that is the the key to the dolphins future and could Be A starter next season if he can get alittle more plying time in Preseason Im sorry But feely has to go He still hasnt learned to scamble and his acc. is crap Gus is ok but Sage And Brock Are better in my opinion I think Brock Berlin is our P.rivers Eli manning or Dare i Say Mike vick with right Help He canbe the Next great NFL QB

Not One person metioned Brock In thier post thats Sad we have the Answer right in front of us Gus Or Feely have got to go
 
LifeLongPhin said:
man you All are looking Outside thepin At QB's i think Dolphins Up and comeing QB is already in miami ppl i have a feeling if Brock is Kept after preseason that is the the key to the dolphins future and could Be A starter next season if he can get alittle more plying time in Preseason Im sorry But feely has to go He still hasnt learned to scamble and his acc. is crap Gus is ok but Sage And Brock Are better in my opinion I think Brock Berlin is our P.rivers Eli manning or Dare i Say Mike vick with right Help He canbe the Next great NFL QB

Not One person metioned Brock In thier post thats Sad we have the Answer right in front of us Gus Or Feely have got to go
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Please tell me you're kidding. Michael Vick????? Eli Manning????????
 
sodenj5 said:
Please tell me you're kidding. Michael Vick????? Eli Manning????????
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:confused: What, you don't see the similarities between Vick and berlin? :lol:
 
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