MERGED:Frerotte\the tides have turned

[Dsuretain82]

Frerotte

I've read so many posts of people saying how bad Gus played last game, but did he really play that bad? The only reason that I read was his stats...if you dont have anything to say about the actual game apart from the stats then its not a valid point. He played pretty well in my opinion; he looks calmer than Feeley in the pocket and seems to know how much time he has to throw. He overthrew a couple of passes, but they werent easy throws. The throw to Chambers was a tough pass to grab but it was there and away from defenders. The one to Boston in the endzone was overthrown but he was covered when the pass was thrown, Boston got open when the throw got there. On the other hand, Feeley looks uncomfortable in the pocket and most of his passes are to the flats to RBs. Well just my two cents

 

[Caldolfan]

I think they both are about the same, that being said, you have to let AJ prove he can play or not. If not, next year we go get a new QB. Davey won't be the savoir, if we sign him.

 

[flintsilver7]

I've read so many posts of people saying how bad Gus played last game, but did he really play that bad? The only reason that I read was his stats...if you dont have anything to say about the actual game apart from the stats then its not a valid point. He played pretty well in my opinion; he looks calmer than Feeley in the pocket and seems to know how much time he has to throw. He overthrew a couple of passes, but they werent easy throws. The throw to Chambers was a tough pass to grab but it was there and away from defenders. The one to Boston in the endzone was overthrown but he was covered when the pass was thrown, Boston got open when the throw got there. On the other hand, Feeley looks uncomfortable in the pocket and most of his passes are to the flats to RBs. Well just my two cents

The guy has completed 44.5% of his passes. There are only so many ways to marginalize things. Sure, he can throw the "deep ball." So could Ryan Leaf.

 

[Oboy]

I've read so many posts of people saying how bad Gus played last game, but did he really play that bad? The only reason that I read was his stats...if you dont have anything to say about the actual game apart from the stats then its not a valid point. He played pretty well in my opinion; he looks calmer than Feeley in the pocket and seems to know how much time he has to throw. He overthrew a couple of passes, but they werent easy throws. The throw to Chambers was a tough pass to grab but it was there and away from defenders. The one to Boston in the endzone was overthrown but he was covered when the pass was thrown, Boston got open when the throw got there. On the other hand, Feeley looks uncomfortable in the pocket and most of his passes are to the flats to RBs. Well just my two cents

See the over throws are what bug me. I am happier to see overthrows than underthrows (what we were getting for many years with Fiedler), but they are still imcompletions. The reason the WR's were open is because the other team blitzed. If you can not hit the deep ball to make the other team pay for blitzing then every team will continue to blitz (as they did last year). Now I am not crazy about Feeley, but in this game he hit an open wr deep for a TD (off of a blitz). Say what you want, but if you can do that (have not seen Gus do it yet) teams will back off the blitz.

 

[dolfanmark]

He's completing 38.5% of his passes since becoming the "starter." That's pathetic. And if you've watched him play, you know that there are some drops, but most of his incompletions are just bad throws. And if you've watched the games, you'll also notice that a lot of his completions are not that accurate. He doesn't hit guys between the numbers and doesn't hit them in stride. He has been lousy. And to be honest, his performance in the Bears game wasn't all that good. He had one big completion to Chambers on a ball that was underthrown into double coverage. And he had a TD that slipped out of his hands, and was actually intended for another receiver. He has done NOTHING to deserve to be the team's starting QB.

 

[QB2RonnieTD23]

Yeah i have to agree with you guys. I mean Gus has just not shown that he can be an accurate QB for this team, and we cant have a starter over and under throwing every pass off target. Gus certainly has the ability to make throws and make plays, but he just hasn't done it. He was given the torch to start and he's dropped it so far if you ask me, i guess at this point i'd start Feeley.

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

The way to face it is remember we have 4 back-up QB's on our team, not one starter! If we want to see what someone can do, then start Sage or Berlin, because I have seen enough of AJ and Gus!

 

[callaway1234]

The tides have turned

In the preseason, support was split Feeley-Frerotte. Then after a preseason game or two everyone jumped on the Frerotte bandwagon (not me). After his two bad games in a row people want to see what Feeley can offer us. I say start Feeley the last preseason game, if he does well make him our starter. Frerotte is not our QB of the future; Feeley might not be either but we need to see what he can do, if he doesn't fare well, a QB in the first round we will draft. Anyone agree?

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The guy has completed 44.5% of his passes. There are only so many ways to marginalize things. Sure, he can throw the "deep ball." So could Ryan Leaf.

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

 

[SuperDuperFan]

I agree...but you may have just started world war 3 on here. watch out for the guskateers.

 

[QB2RonnieTD23]

If you ask me, i think Miami needs to play the starters for longer this time. Give Feeley a quarter and a half and Frerotte a quarter and a half with most of the starters in, we still need to get a look at these guys and we cant do what a lot of teams are doing and just rest all our players for this game. Maybe i'm giving them too long in the game, but i think Feeley and Frerotte both must play with the starters for a considerable amount of time.

 

[flintsilver7]

In the preseason, support was split Feeley-Frerotte. Then after a preseason game or two everyone jumped on the Frerotte bandwagon (not me). After his two bad games in a row people want to see what Feeley can offer us. I say start Feeley the last preseason game, if he does well make him our starter. Frerotte is not our QB of the future; Feeley might not be either but we need to see what he can do, if he doesn't fare well, a QB in the first round we will draft. Anyone agree?

Correction - Frerotte has had three bad games in a row, not two.

 

[callaway1234]

^^
Sorry I was just trying to recall off the top of my head. And I don't want to start a war, some may perceive what I said in a ****y, insulting way, but I meant it as my opinion. And I agree I'd like to see Feeley play longer as well.
Feeley got the raw end of the deal on Saturday, only because (correct me if I'm wrong) the Bucs had a long offensive drive in the 3rd, he only had the end of the 3rd and the 4th quarter to play.

 

[flintsilver7]

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

It's 7.05, not 7.1. Clever rounding. And Frerotte has shown no ability to do that here and now - or in fact anywhere without Randy Moss in the last four years. His completion percentage shows that this year's Frerotte is like the Frerotte of old - just worse. Never good enough.

The last time Frerotte posted a YPA over 7.0 was in 2000 with the Broncos. (Brian Griese averaged 8.0 the same year). Of course, you can do that with Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Rod Smith, and Eddie McCaffrey on your offense - not to mention a dominant offensive line and a top 5 ground game.

 

[PhinBeck]

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

Funny Saban must talk only to you since teh media has said repeatedly that Saban hasnt announced a decision. You go ignore his completion % as all Gusketeers seem to want. Love the hypocrisy keep it up.

Wow a whole 1.5 yds per better wow impressive and is so impressive that he is under 40% completion % as a starter. Drops is your next excuse. Yep he had some, but by Sabans own comments Gus contributed to many of teh so-called drops with bad passes. Go read transcript of press conf if you like it is there. He also yes points out receivers could have helped Gus as well, but he clearly says that the receivers arent all to blame for these drops. Timing? I agree not having timing can hurt accuracy, but 3 games as a starter you would think they would be getting closer, not further away, which in your analytical ability you profess, you would see that Gus had worse accuracy, timing was off by a wider margin in game 4 than in game 3 which is regression not progression. I am sure you have an excuse for that tho