MERGED: Poison Pills CBA/Who the real blame falls on/why owners should concede

[zodiak]

Whats amazing to me is when reading about how this CBA was institiuded some 13 years(maybe 16) ago the folks who created this deal had the forsight to institute "poisonus pills" to force the owners and players to "not" allow the deal to reach this critical status.

However like in every profitable Roman Empire Greed is Good and now we will see the fall of Sports greatest Empire the NFL, true there will be time to extend the deal even well into '06- but there are many new team owners who have never had to deal with labor strife they simply have only know the good times so they maybe the ones wanting it their way-the fact that many teams are in such dire straites because of the cap reasons that players will suffer as well.

As for the effects on the Dolphins I dont know I tend not to follow blindly so I am not one that believes Saban will magically make it work-yes I felt the team was on track however the game has changed...the phins could have been on the verge of solving their long time QB issue now they may have to lose a small core of the team that won 6 straight to end 05 simply to be under the cap with no room to sign FA or their draft class.

The NFL is one step closer to becoming another classic case self destruction.

 

[Alex44]

Im hoping they are playing a big game of chicken....you know like when kids get on their bikes and ride at eachother to see who chickens out and budges first....

Maybe the Union and the Owners are seeing how close to the deadline they can get before one folds

 

[phinfan2003]

As much as I want a CBA to get done, the players have every right to do what they are doing. If you compare football to baseball and basketball, they have the weakest union and therefore the weakest contracts. Unlike MLB, and NBA contracts, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. How sad is it that a guy like Allan Houston is making more money sitting on his a@@ than the highest paid football player is on the field. Furthermore, the NFL player will have more long-term ailments by the very nature of the sport then will baseball and basketball players. The union put this into the contract to make sure the owners try to get an extension done without waiting until the final year of the contract. I completely understand the player's side.

 

[Alex44]

As much as I want a CBA to get done, the players have every right to do what they are doing. If you compare football to baseball and basketball, they have the weakest union and therefore the weakest contracts. Unlike MLB, and NBA contracts, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Furthermore, the NFL player will have more long-term ailments by the very nature of the sport then will baseball and basketball players. The union put this into the contract to make sure the owners try to get an extension done without waiting until the final year of the contract. I completely understand the player's side.

Yeah poor Peyton Manning barely able to feed his family, come on even the NFL minimum is enough to live a very easy life on, sports players are overpaid as it is, only reason they are paid so much is the loyal fans who go watch these games, which allows them to bring in the money and be paid so much

Both sides are being greedy and neither has any right to do this

 

[volk]

Why the owners should conceed...

I'm not typically one to buy into the greedy demands of professional athletes, and I believe that when an inch is given, most people will take a mile, but in this case, the owners simply must conceed to the players. I don't say this because I think the players are in the right, or that the owners are in the wrong...it's just that it should be plainly obvious to every owner that saving a buck in negotiations will cost them dearly later.

Once the cap is gone, only the richest teams with the spendiest owners will be able to collect great talent. Contracts will bloat in previously inconceivable ways. Struggling teams will continue to bring in less income and have less to spend on good players. These teams will decline, and suffer from lower attendance. If an owner really desires to turn things around, they will be forced to cut much deeper into profits than they are now. Even good teams will be forced to spend previously unheard of money on deals.

If the goal here is to save the owners money, it is completely backwards. Conceeding to the players will save them more money in the long run.

 

[Sal Lisitano]

MERGED: Poison Pills CBA\Who the real blame falls on...IMO!!!

After thinking about the whole mess about the CBA...I feel that the blame falls on the NFLPA...and Gene Upshaw.

The 1st sticking point about Upshaw not wavering and wanting to get 60% of the total revenue to the players and the owners are willing to offer 56.2%.

Yeah these owners are billionares but they pay they take the biggest risk...they invest ALOT of $$$...and they pay the bills. Gene is being to fing greedy...I hope the punk losses his damn job. So the owners already dishout much dinero... a lot of money. These owners are smart...some maybe jerks but remember they are the one taking all the risk by buying the team/franchise.

For the 2nd sticking point...the revenue sharing...I really don't like how the owners of the lower market teams want more revenue...that's bs in my opinion. Listen...these owners bought the team...the run the team and it is their responsibility to make it profitable...why should the owners of high market teams give up their profits to them...this revenue sharing is okay to some point but how much more of their profits should the owenrs of high market teams give up? It should be their resonsibilty to make it profitable...it is their team...their franchise...deal with it.

Blame Buffalo...they are a low market team...Ralph make your Bills profitable...don't rely on other teams profits...make your own!!! J/K.

Okay I'm ready for the rebutal to this post and why its is not the NFLPA but the owners faults...let's hear it!!!

Go Fins!!!

 

[Phin-o-rama]

MLB and NBA suck....NFL doesn't...they shouldn't mess it up

 

[FinFrenzy]

As much as I want a CBA to get done, the players have every right to do what they are doing. If you compare football to baseball and basketball, they have the weakest union and therefore the weakest contracts. Unlike MLB, and NBA contracts, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. How sad is it that a guy like Allan Houston is making more money sitting on his a@@ than the highest paid football player is on the field. Furthermore, the NFL player will have more long-term ailments by the very nature of the sport then will baseball and basketball players. The union put this into the contract to make sure the owners try to get an extension done without waiting until the final year of the contract. I completely understand the player's side.

:confused: There's a cap in baseball?

 

[phinfan2003]

Yeah poor Peyton Manning barely able to feed his family, come on even the NFL minimum is enough to live a very easy life on, sports players are overpaid as it is, only reason they are paid so much is the loyal fans who go watch these games, which allows them to bring in the money and be paid so much

Both sides are being greedy and neither has any right to do this

Of course you can feed a family on the NFL minimum but this is not about that. Why does a McDonald's employee get paid such low wages? Because it's pretty much a job that anybody can do. Why do athletes get paid so much for playing a game that I played for free? Because there are very few people that can play the game at that level. Furthermore, its a job where the owners are making such a huge profit that they can afford to pay these players $95M a year. Don't you think the Owner's can support their families on the millions and millions that they make by owning the team? When the average career of an NFL player is only 3 years and the contract that you sign is not guaranteed and you're only one play away from ending it all, I think it's only fair for these players to want to secure their future in case they only can play 3 years.

 

[phinfan2003]

:confused: There's a cap in baseball?

Who said anything about a cap in baseball?

 

[Yardbird99]

If you compare football to baseball and basketball, they have the weakest union and therefore the weakest contracts. Unlike MLB, and NBA contracts, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed.

:confused: There's a cap in baseball?

:confused:

 

[Schleprock]

no rebuttal, but here is what I posted yesterday on another forum.

Speaking of Upshaw, is anyone finally tired of this guy?? He loves to be a drama queen, loves his name in the press, and seems to take personal enjoyment in thinking his hard *** comments as stated yesterday make him a person to be respected. IMO, I think Upshaw is one of the problems here.

The players wanting 60% revenue share instead of the offered 56.x% share is simply a matter of the NFLPA wanting to be a bully. That 3.x% share difference is a lot of money when looked at as a chunk, however, when broken out to all the respective parties it isn't going to stop anyone from being wealthy and feeding their families

(...well, maybe Ty law it will).

They need to accept the 56.x%, be happy and blessed for what they have, stop listening to Upshaw and the other suits, and move on.

 

[RoninFin4]

I agree with both posts, but what are the chances that Upshaw realizes what he's doing will hurt the NFL and accept the 56.x %?

 

[FinFrenzy]

Who said anything about a cap in baseball?

The only reason the contracts are guaranteed is because there is no cap. You couldn't possibly gurantee contracts and then make roster moves upgrading or for whatever reasons with a salary cap. If your uncapped you could pay a player anything you want guarantee is contract and be done with it.

That is why the NFL is more competitive amongst the teams. And the reason why MLB is losing more and more fans every year. I don't know much about the NBA.

 

[Sal Lisitano]

no rebuttal, but here is what I posted yesterday on another forum.

Speaking of Upshaw, is anyone finally tired of this guy?? He loves to be a drama queen, loves his name in the press, and seems to take personal enjoyment in thinking his hard *** comments as stated yesterday make him a person to be respected. IMO, I think Upshaw is one of the problems here.

The players wanting 60% revenue share instead of the offered 56.x% share is simply a matter of the NFLPA wanting to be a bully. That 3.x% share difference is a lot of money when looked at as a chunk, however, when broken out to all the respective parties it isn't going to stop anyone from being wealthy and feeding their families http://www.maddenmania.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif (...well, maybe Ty law it will).

They need to accept the 56.x%, be happy and blessed for what they have, stop listening to Upshaw and the other suits, and move on.

Excellent Post. Especially since we see eye to eye on this.

Hey, did you read how Greedy Upshaw said that he will not come down from the 60%...what a fing jerk!!! I'm pissed right now...all I remember thinking was that we would be in good cap shape and that we would be able to get some good free agents...I was so excited about this offseason...with Saban & Co. this organization and team was back on the right track...now all this BS...has really pissed me off!!!

Always something!!!!!

Go Fins!!!