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Shouright

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The Call Was Bad Simply Because...

...it didn't appreciate where the players were mentally at the time. When the players are smashing it down the other team's throat running the ball, they want to be shown some appreciation and relied on to do it when it matters most.

Think of it this way -- you're an offensive lineman or a running back, you've had success running the ball all day, and you've just pounded the ball all the way down the field running it. You're DOMINATING the opposing defense at the point of attack.

The call comes in on 3rd and 2 near the goal line and you're hearing it in the huddle -- it's a play-action pass. Where does your head go? Do you break the huddle and line up thinking, "the coaches must be seeing what we're doing -- they have confidence in us that we can keep doing it and with the game with it."

I don't think so. I think you break the huddle and line up scratching your head, wondering why the coaches aren't relying on you to do what you've done well all game.

THAT's why the call was bad. And that has nothing to do with execution, tricking the defense, or taking what the defense was giving us. It has everything to do with knowing your players and getting the most out of them.

Saban needs to take this into consideration, and with the quotes I'm seeing from him about the call, I'm afraid he isn't. That's disappointing -- I thought he was a coach who thought along these lines.
 
if he made a good pass this wouldn't even be a thought...at all...so your not blowing anyones mind here.

i think everyone agrees we should have run....only because of the outcome though, if we scored a TD there wouldn't R+R be thinking "since we ran so well it set up the playaction to work really well, its a team game and we contributed even w/o running it"
 
A MIND READER! And through the TV no less! You need your own show. You would be a GREAT play by play man or color commentator. You could tell us what Gus is thinking during a play, and then switch to Saban before a play call and tell us what he is thinking.

Oh that sounds absurd? Then why doesn't the orignal post sound absurd as well.
 
It wasnt even a second thought for me. I thought for sure Ronnie or Ricky would get the ball and they would make a move and just get 2 yards. I mean, two downs to get two yards, waste the clock, and pound them into submission mentally and physically for overtime.

I guess not.
 
mbmonk said:
A MIND READER! And through the TV no less! You need your own show. You would be a GREAT play by play man or color commentator. You could tell us what Gus is thinking during a play, and then switch to Saban before a play call and tell us what he is thinking.

Oh that sounds absurd? Then why doesn't the orignal post sound absurd as well.

:lol:
 
finfan54 said:
It wasnt even a second thought for me. I thought for sure Ronnie or Ricky would get the ball and they would make a move and just get 2 yards. I mean, two downs to get two yards, waste the clock, and pound them into submission mentally and physically for overtime.

I guess not.
But to think that the PLAYERS were probably thinking the same way?! How crazy of me!
 
I agree. If you're Ronnie and you've been entrustred as the #2 pick and have been spectacular, for them to have that playcall in that situation must be disheartening. If I was Ronnie, I'd be quite upset.
 
no your thinking we are 3rd and 2 we need a first or a TD... I need to do my job now better than I have the whole game... thats the kind of mentality of the great playters in the league...something bad may pop into there head, second guessing and such, but they're gonna think that after they're done playing
 
shouright said:
But to think that the PLAYERS were probably thinking the same way?! How crazy of me!

That's the point. You dont know what the players are thinking. You are sitting at home watching the game. Your not there your not in the enviroment. You haven't set there and watched film all week on the falcons. You don't know what the falcons tendencies are. You don't know what the gameplan was. You dont know what the Falcons game play was. You aren't out there in the pressure of the situation with a top flight athlete you have to line up against and beat him. I could go on and on and on.

You don't know. You can guess what they would be thinking but you dont know. So I could guess what Gus is thinking during a play or Saban is thinking on the sideline. But I dont know. We don't have the information as fans that these guys do as players and coaches.
 
Fritz27 said:
I agree. If you're Ronnie and you've been entrustred as the #2 pick and have been spectacular, for them to have that playcall in that situation must be disheartening. If I was Ronnie, I'd be quite upset.


WHY? They gave Ronnie the ball on 4th and 1 just 3 plays earlier. If 4th and 1 doesn't say they believe in you then I dont know what does. So why is he upset?
 
mbmonk said:
WHY? They gave Ronnie the ball on 4th and 1 just 3 plays earlier. If 4th and 1 doesn't say they believe in you then I dont know what does. So why is he upset?
The plain and simple fact of the matter is that the coaches entrusted the 29th-ranked QB in the league to make the most important play of the game rather than the running game that had been the only dominant area of our team throughOUT the game.

If the play was based on trying to "trick" the Falcons because we had run Ronnie on 4th and 1 the previous series, then my question is this -- why use trickery when you have a sure thing going? Why not go with the sure thing? Why even THINK about what the opposing defense is expecting when you have something you can run at them that they haven't stopped all day?
 
mbmonk said:
That's the point. You dont know what the players are thinking. You are sitting at home watching the game. Your not there your not in the enviroment. You haven't set there and watched film all week on the falcons. You don't know what the falcons tendencies are. You don't know what the gameplan was. You dont know what the Falcons game play was. You aren't out there in the pressure of the situation with a top flight athlete you have to line up against and beat him. I could go on and on and on.

You don't know. You can guess what they would be thinking but you dont know. So I could guess what Gus is thinking during a play or Saban is thinking on the sideline. But I dont know. We don't have the information as fans that these guys do as players and coaches.
Obviously I don't have a "mental transcript" from the players, but most of this site is speculative in nature, so I think this thread fits pretty well.

I just have a lot of trouble believing that the players would've rather put the most important play of the game in the hands of the 29th-ranked QB in the league than the one area of the team that was dominant during the game. It's a guess, but I think it's a good one.
 
shouright said:
Obviously I don't have a "mental transcript" from the players, but most of this site is speculative in nature, so I think this thread fits pretty well.

I just have a lot of trouble believing that the players would've rather put the most important play of the game in the hands of the 29th-ranked QB in the league rather than the one area of the team that was dominant during the game. It's a guess, but I think it's a good one.

I'll bet the house...if you could ask the players...who they wanted to trust to get that first down...or Touchdown...in that situation....they would say Ronnie or Ricky. I can't see any player saying gee...I trust Gus first and foremost.
 
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