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MERGED3x-Why is Carroll our main candidate?/He is horrible/great

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I dont understand something, this guy did not do well in the NFL and went to a college with all the recruits he needs. USC just reloads, they do not have problems with players. So what seperates this guy from the same thing we ran into with Saban?
Im not saying that Carroll is a no heart having backstabber, Im just saying that success in the college world does not translate to the NFL.
I may be wrong and he may provide a lift for us, I am just concerned that we will let history repeat itself.

All I ask is an Offensive mind in Miami. Keep Capers as DC and let someone put due attention on our benign offense. Oh and also someone who knows how to get talent. Our drafting blows.
 
This would be the absolute worst scenario playing out!! He wants total control and that does not work in the NFL!! How can any Dolphin fan ever forget his choke sign during the Jets game. That alone should kill his possibility - he has NO CLASS!!! :tantrum:

Please stay away from a college coach - did we not learn a lesson the last few years regarding total control and college coaches making the transition?
 
first who said he was our main candidtate.....I havent heard Wayne say that.
 
YoMamma said:
first who said he was our main candidtate.....I havent heard Wayne say that.
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Check the Miami Herald article.

"Depending on the answer Carroll gave, he could become Miami's leading candidate to replace Saban."
 
I dont even want him as a candidate...Maybe Wayne is a glutton for punishment...College coaches can not succeed in the NFL starting out as head coaches... Spurrier, Davis, Saban, Carroll...I dont know any straight from college coaches have succeeded in the NFL...Anyone come to mind? Hope your smarter than this Wayne
 
Yea, I never heard him mentioned as a main candidate. In fact, Wayne visited him to 'gauge' his interest, if any. He might have said what Saban feels, he likes college better and this could be a dead issue already.
 
Rich22 said:
This would be the absolute worst scenario playing out!! He wants total control and that does not work in the NFL!! How can any Dolphin fan ever forget his choke sign during the Jets game. That alone should kill his possibility - he has NO CLASS!!! :tantrum:

Please stay away from a college coach - did we not learn a lesson the last few years regarding total control and college coaches making the transition?
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I agree stay away from a college coach. Most of them are cr**py in the NFL.
 
Rubbin420 said:
Check the Miami Herald article.

"Depending on the answer Carroll gave, he could become Miami's leading candidate to replace Saban."
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We've read it. 'Depending' and 'could' are nothing more than guessing, hearsay, speculation, gut feeling, etc.

No need waste energy over this, spend it on hoping for someone better instead of worrying about who we might get.
 
Noland said:
I agree stay away from a college coach. Most of them are cr**py in the NFL.
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Yes I agree, but see. Havnt all of the nfl head coaches been college coaches at one point in time? I mean, they dont just skip from being a highschool coach to an nfl coach. Every single current headcoach in the nfl has most likely had a stop as a college coach somwhere in their career. And at some point they have all jumped to the nfl. As for Carrol, he already has had 2 unsuccessful trips to the nfl. I wish he could get miami to be as dominant as USC though, that is for sure.
 
YoMamma said:
first who said he was our main candidtate.....I havent heard Wayne say that.
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Skolnick doesn't say he is the main candidate but he notes that the Caroll interview could be revealing.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-spskolnick08jan08,0,4722497.column?track=rss

The fact that Caroll is being considered -I hope Caroll isn't the next HC. He seems better suited to the colelge game - suggests that WH is not adverse to going back to the college well and/or he may be considering giving someone full control.

I agree with Skolnick that we have this process backward; the Dolphins first priority should be finding a personnel man. The fact that Mueller has not been involved in the hiring process can only mean that : a) The Dolphins don't have Mueller included in their future plans; or b) The Dolphins will continue the trend of giving their HEad coach total control, in which case even if Mueller stays, his role will continue to be marginal. I was hoping that we would land Pioli but the chances are slim next to none. Pioli seems happy in NE, and even if he were to elave, I think he'd go the Giants. Moreover, it sounds as if WH is focussed on getting a HC rather than fundamentally changing how his football operations are structured.

Unless the Dolphins make the structural changes, I don't think a HC, even if he is a top notch candidate, will have success. It just seems as though the combined duties are overwhelming for one person, no matter who it may be.
 
ASUFinFan said:
Yes I agree, but see. Havnt all of the nfl head coaches been college coaches at one point in time? I mean, they dont just skip from being a highschool coach to an nfl coach. Every single current headcoach in the nfl has most likely had a stop as a college coach somwhere in their career. And at some point they have all jumped to the nfl. As for Carrol, he already has had 2 unsuccessful trips to the nfl. I wish he could get miami to be as dominant as USC though, that is for sure.
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I wouldnt say thats necessarily true. Many NFL coaches never dip into college. There are lots of opportunities for coaching in NFL with various assistant, personell and position specific jobs that eventually lead into coordinator and HC spots.
The trail of guys who have primarily made their rep in college and then jumped to NFL and failed is long indeed, and something I have no interest in. Pete Carroll was mediocre at best in the NFL his first go around, and has since built his rep back up entirely based on his tenure at USC. Hiring him as a coach is just begging for more of what we have been going through for years. Just say no!

BTW-I think the frontrunners are currently Cameron and Wisenhunt. Carroll hasnt even expressed public interest in coming back to the NFL, I think the mission to see him was more exploratory than anything, and hopefully for our franchise he is very content to keep winning at USC.
 
ASUFinFan said:
Yes I agree, but see. Havnt all of the nfl head coaches been college coaches at one point in time? I mean, they dont just skip from being a highschool coach to an nfl coach. Every single current headcoach in the nfl has most likely had a stop as a college coach somwhere in their career. And at some point they have all jumped to the nfl. As for Carrol, he already has had 2 unsuccessful trips to the nfl. I wish he could get miami to be as dominant as USC though, that is for sure.
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I agree to a certain degree, I think he is a good coach alot of great players coming out of high school to play for USC. But it is different in the NFL Carroll knows that and so does Saban. We need a coach that is committed to the NFL. We need a coach that can respect the veterans that know how to play and yell and coach the young players. This team needs a HC that they can respect and believe what he is doing. I dont think we got that fron Saban.
 
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