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Miami Dolphins Offensive Line Improvement Won’t Help Ryan Tannehill

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For the last seven years we have listened to the Miami Dolphins fans excuses for Ryan Tannehill but one excuse won’t change anything if fixed.

You have read it everywhere. Mainstream media, forums, even here a dozen or more times. The Miami Dolphins Ryan Tannehill can’t be fully judged without a real offensive line. I believed that. I don’t anymore.

A quarterback who is horrible on third down, can’t make simple reads, and has poor pocket awareness will not benefit from a solid offensive line. And that is 100% true.

Ryan Tannehill is not a bad quarterback. He is far from it and if the offensive line was playing at a much higher level and his tight-ends were getting open more frequently, and if the play calling was a lot better, and the defense was playing better, then Ryan Tannehill would be a really good quarterback. But he wouldn’t be elite and he wouldn’t be great.
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https://phinphanatic.com/2018/12/21...ve-line-improvement-wont-help-ryan-tannehill/

Keep Tannehill for one more season, get the lines fixed, as a bridge to 2020 draft
 
Both sides make good points. Tannehill's never had a great O-line in front of him but he's also taken plenty of sacks when he didn't have to. How long do we wait for every single position on this team to have a great player in order for Tannehill to be the QB we need him to be?
 
Been screaming this for awhile. There is not enough money in the salary cap to be elite at every position - and if your qb needs that, you’ve got the wrong guy

It’s why the Rams are in Win now mode. They know they can’t sustain that roster long term - not enough money to go around
 
So where does the narrative that Tannehill has "poor pocket awareness" stem from? What is the standard of good vs poor? Has there been someone qualified who has said this?

Please don't respond with do you watch games. I get that we all have our opinions and thoughts but outside of a Miami beat writer where do Tannehill's criticisms come from?

Additionally to say a better O-Line wouldn't help him is false. It would help any and every QB.
 
We don’t need elite players at every position, we need to improve on depth and an oline that can help the running game as well as the passing game. We need a new DC, we can all agree that.
 
Spiff said:
Meh. We field a historically bad defense and OL but we expect the QB to overcome all this ****. It’s not like defense and OL are middle of the pack, they’re right there at the bottom.
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7 years in and your talking points have not changed a lick.
 
Dolfan Dave said:
So where does the narrative that Tannehill has "poor pocket awareness" stem from? What is the standard of good vs poor? Has there been someone qualified who has said this?

Please don't respond with do you watch games. I get that we all have our opinions and thoughts but outside of a Miami beat writer where do Tannehill's criticisms come from?

Additionally to say a better O-Line wouldn't help him is false. It would help any and every QB.
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Poor pocket awareness is a mobile QB, not known for running/scrambling (oxymoron at the very least), being sacked the amount of times he has while simply standing there looking at an a**kicking beat his LG regularly....
 
tannehill when he has time is a top ten QB. The guy makes every throw. He doesnt have the lateral quickness to be an escape artist so he's going to take sacks but so do Brees and Brady. The difference is their organizations make sure they have at least an average offensive line in front of them. I'm not saying Tannehill is Brees and Brady just that he's a pocket passer like them and pocket passers need pockets. Tannehill doesnt need an elite line. He needs an average line. What he cant function behind is a bottom ten offensive line. Just get the line to middle of the pack and you will see a repeat of 2016. It's amazing how quickly people forget
 
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Let’s move on - spend the 27 million else where. Let Fales try....

Dolphins need to be frugal - draft well...keep our young talent...

Build for the future...

If two teams were in the Super Bowl and 1 team had Tannehill who had to start because their real QB was injured I for sure would bet top dollar against Tannehills team...his lack of pocket presence was the worse I have ever seen.

If we have 2 or 3 good drafts we could be competitive in 2022 or so....

I hate being a Dolphin fan now - it was so great in the 70s and 80s and 90s...but now it is a prison sentence!!!!
 
adamprez2003 said:
tannehill when he has time is a top ten QB. The guy makes every throw. He doesnt have the lateral quickness to be an escape artist so he's going to take sacks but so do Brees and Brady. The difference is their organizations make sure they have at least an average offensive line in front of them. I'm not saying Tannehill is Brees and Brady just that he's a pocket passer like them and pocket passers need pockets. Tannehill doesnt need an elite line. He needs an average line. What he cant function behind is a bottom ten offensive line. Just get the line to middle of the pack and you will see a repeat of 2016. It's amazing how quickly people forget
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I must admit I've soured on Tannehill a bit, but I cant disagree with anything you're saying here either.
 
DPhinz_DPhinz said:
Poor pocket awareness is a mobile QB, not known for running/scrambling (oxymoron at the very least), being sacked the amount of times he has while simply standing there looking at an a**kicking beat his LG regularly....
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I'd say pressure right up the middle is the hardest to avoid. On some of those hes got someone in his face as soon as he gets the ball. Some of the play fakes as soon as he turns around hes hit. Now could he do more? Absolutely! But man
.. hes certainly not getting much help from the OL, coaching scheme etc. If you think the QB is bad then ok that's fair, but our problems go far beyond the QB.
 
Get a defense that's not ranked in the 30s and the QB looks a lot better. It's pretty simple. If this defense was just middle of the row we make the playoffs this year.


I'm not sure how we made the playoffs in 2016 with that defense.
 
lurking said:
We don’t need elite players at every position, we need to improve on depth and an oline that can help the running game as well as the passing game. We need a new DC, we can all agree that.
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Just my opinion, but here is the problem ALL teams have. (Note: I'm guessing at the following numbers.)
In any given year, there are 3-5 elite players at every position in the NFL. That's 3-5 for 32 teams. That means 5-7 more to round out top 10 . . . divided over 32 teams. A lot of the rest are average, except for the bottom 5 who probably shouldn't be in the NFL. And that's STARTERS!!! Backups contain a few who may start for other teams, a lot of 'average' backups, some who are in the NFL for ST skills only, and quite a few (half?) who don't belong in the NFL.

That's reality. Expecting a team to have top players at every position is displaying lack of understanding of the NFL or any professional sport. Expecting all backups to be quality guys is also denying reality. Yes, improve the bottom players when possible and always be looking for backup upgrades, BUT in context to even TOP teams having a lot of NotForLongs on the roster. Fewer than other teams, but we've all seen how heavy injuries take a toll on even the top teams. The rest is coaching.
 
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