Miami Dolphins’ plan to revamp roster began in winter of 2014
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There is an ongoing debate on this forum about who is responsible, Hickey or Tannenbaum, for the drastic change in the roster. I think that even if Tannenbaum wouldn't have been hired Ross still would have tried to spend the money. Like the article mentions, he even did it for Ireland. Who knows however if he would have been as successful. I tend to think they would have because of how the Fins offer blew everyone out of the water for Suh. Suh would have taken the deal no matter what.
I also sure as hell dont think Tannenbaum was skilled enough to trade for Stills. That was a player this FO /coaching staff has liked for awhile and even mentioned so.
Something Darlington said on the NFL network kind of struck a chord with me when discussing the Tannehill extension. When asked about the rebuilding of the roster he specifically stated that "Hickey" had done a great job of doing it. To me its important because even though he's gone he still gets the best info from the Fins organization. Meaning more than likely he knows who's making the major roster decisions. One has got to believe that if Tannenbaum was making the major decisions Darlington would know and more than likely written or spoke about it.
I also sure as hell dont think Tannenbaum was skilled enough to trade for Stills. That was a player this FO /coaching staff has liked for awhile and even mentioned so.
Something Darlington said on the NFL network kind of struck a chord with me when discussing the Tannehill extension. When asked about the rebuilding of the roster he specifically stated that "Hickey" had done a great job of doing it. To me its important because even though he's gone he still gets the best info from the Fins organization. Meaning more than likely he knows who's making the major roster decisions. One has got to believe that if Tannenbaum was making the major decisions Darlington would know and more than likely written or spoke about it.
Phinatic8u
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Hickey is slowly becoming a very good gm..I had my doubts, but he's showing up big.
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Not so slowly.
I think Hickey is responsible for most of it....but I do not think that the Suh signing happens without Tannebaum. His familiarity with Suh's agent and ability to negotiate with that type of agent was key IMHO.
LordTua
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Yea I believe that this is Hickey's baby. He calls the shots, but takes input from Tannenbaum.
Who knows, if this plan was formulated ahead of time, maybe Hickey and Ross went over the list of FAs this year, circled Suh and decided to hire Tannenbaum solely to give us an edge in signing him. IMO that's a very plausible scenario given this information about game-planning 2 years ahead.
Who knows, if this plan was formulated ahead of time, maybe Hickey and Ross went over the list of FAs this year, circled Suh and decided to hire Tannenbaum solely to give us an edge in signing him. IMO that's a very plausible scenario given this information about game-planning 2 years ahead.
Jesse - Appreciate your perspective. Your logic is sound. However, I don't know that I agree with your view that Tannenbaum isn't skilled enough to make the Kenny Stills trade. My read is that Tannenbaum really respects Hickey as a superior player evaluator who probably identified Stills as a player he wanted but when it gets down to pure wheeling and dealing in a negotiation, I think that Tannenbaum is the man. I have seen nothing to suggest that Hickey embraces the negotiation side of the equation, in fact I think that they work well together because they have totally different skillsets. I'd work off the assumption that anything that involves a significant negotiation, Mike Tannenbaum is involved. He is a tough Jewish lawyer with 19 years experience in the NFL. He is a pro as a negotiator even having a stint negotiating for players. Stephen Ross is also a Jewish lawyer (before he became a billionaire developer) who understands the art of negotiation. My read is that Tannenbaum is having some fun because he finally has a really good player evaluator in Hickey (and his team) and a really good salary cap professional in Dawn Aponte, which allows him to focus on just the big ticket items.
Hickey's definitely been planning this from the moment he came into the job. You think he's wanted to keep Ireland's trash? You're not winning a damn thing with contracts like Wheeler's and Ellerbe's eating away at your cap space. Purging this roster is what any competent GM would do and Hickey's shown himself to be very highly competent.
If Suh wouldn't have come out and said it was all about the $ I would lend more credence to Tannenbaum's negotiation skills on that deal. To me he just signed the biggest offer and Ross would have given it to him no matter what..
I guess I should have worded that sentence better. I should have stated I dont think Tannenbaum has the ability to evaluate the potential talent in a player like Stills. I dont think when the Saints put him on the block the Fins wouldn't have come calling with Hickey's evaluation skills. He might not even have been on the radar.
Hickey has also already proven he can land the big fish. Albert was the #1 target two years ago and he locked him up no problem.
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I, too, believe that it is the TEAM of front office people that is the difference. I'm not sure how much it matters who is proposing the ideas or formula for the players we have and are assembling. I believe each one of them have their strengths and those strengths compliment each other without the attitude of "I'm the boss"...
I think you hit the nail on the head. Our front office appears to be operating like a well oiled machine rather than a bunch competing silos. They seem to check their egos, value each other's opinions and communicate very effectively. I am very excited about our front office.
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Actually I read that the Signing of Suh was believe it or not Stephen Ross's desire. Don't think Hickey was all onboard at first but Ross told Tannebaum to git er done...
tried to find the article but to far back....
tried to find the article but to far back....
Phinatic8u
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That's not what was said at the press conference.
No.
Again, with this whole thing, simple reading would straighten all this out. God knows i have tried posting link after link showing Hickey is the show here as far as personel, even several out of tannenbaums own mouth AND Hickeys!!
Hickey and Aponte were reconing Suh middle of last year as a just in case scenerio. It had ZERO to do with tannenbaums connections. . Besides, if that is all powerful and can land the biggest defensive f/a since Reggie White, Le'El Collins would be a fin.
People can keep scratching all they want to connect tannenbaum to anything this off season personel wise but it just isnt so. His gig is to mainly be Ross's media face and thats that. Hickey is not some fresh face punk in the nfl and had been a part of many big deals and signings for Tampa some 18 plus years. His calling card was being a personel wiz. Tannenbaum......, not so much. And Hickey's personel moves here have shown that to be true.
Cameron, Suh, Stills, all mentioned Hickey as being key in their signings stating how personable he is. How up front he was, seemed a straight shooter right off the bat. Cameron even mentioned Hickey was his decision to sign here after hearing his "solid" plan for the teams future. Said money was the same with other teams.
Tannenbaum? Pretty much no mention of him other he himself saying to the press asking draft and personel questions stating, "you need to refer to dennis hickey, he controls all personel decisions".
As i said, this stuff was all knowlege and stated by all parties from DAY ONE of tannenbaums hire. But, its like you have to beat some fans over the head with a frying pan to get them to see. Even a couple of fans who have seen and commented on those links and saw tannenbaum say he was not the personel guy then saying, "its a conspiracy, we dont know what we are actually seeing, it was obvious to (all) hickey was over his head and super t-bomb had to step in to save the team, that anyone who believes any and all those comments by the team are just blind and dont know whats REALLY happening.......".
Yeah.
Anyhow, Ross chose his man and chose right, and for all the right reasons. A gmcant decide who is who and who needs to stay and who needs to go walking in the door his first year. He made adjustments and changes as the year went on, as he saw with his own eyes. As he said, the plan he had for this team started winter last year when he took office. What we are seeing now, and as i had said over and over, is the continuance of what he started last season. His plan for the team got him the job and people and free agents and media are praising Hickey for this plan and pointed drafts. Players, in a recent article here on FH saying how much they love the structure here thats been implemented.
We landed a fresh thinking, hungry, talented personel wiz everyone of us wanted in the GM search. We got all of that and some just cant accept that. Every good move is due to Tannenbaum coming aboard. Couldnt be done without HIM!! Then, many bitched (some still are) about not going after and getting the older, has been establishment re treads for GM.
Hickey is a great find. DEAL PEOPLE!!!! Accept what Ross, Hickey and Tannenbaum have said about who does what and not Omar or disgruntled we should have picked my guy fans. Your minds will lose all the confusion and guess work. ENJOY!! The resurgance of our Miami Dolphins is at hand.
Exactly what negotiations do some of you think went on between Tannenbaum and Suh's agent? Hey, we're paying you more than anyone else. That's a done deal no matter who is making the call.
As Hickey showed with Albert, he's not afraid of big signings and he was definitely planning this purge this year. It doesn't seem unreasonable that he would have pursued Suh without Tannenbaum. I'm sure Tannenbaum has applied some influence to some decisions, but the only personnel move of significance which he's been directly responsible is the Phillips pick. Which is probably the riskiest thing we've done all year.
As Hickey showed with Albert, he's not afraid of big signings and he was definitely planning this purge this year. It doesn't seem unreasonable that he would have pursued Suh without Tannenbaum. I'm sure Tannenbaum has applied some influence to some decisions, but the only personnel move of significance which he's been directly responsible is the Phillips pick. Which is probably the riskiest thing we've done all year.