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Miami Dolphins Scheme Changes Will Be Challenging Says Grier

imo Godchaux has a better skill set and Body for the 0 tech than Taylor, Taylor is lighter and more active in the gaps, better player imo.

guess we should be looking for versatile edge players and perhaps our Vince Wilfork type.
I thought Taylor was 320 plus. Just looked it up it seems he's much lighter than I thought. Yes I like Taylor a lot too. Think he's very under rated
 
It seems to me that the Pats Defense has morphed into what it is over time AND they change the scheme depending on the ever-changing personnel. This is a system that has been in place for a long time so I don't see Miami being an exact duplicate of any of their schemes. If Flores is as advertised then he will adapt the scheme to what these guys do best. I also think they will add more versatile LB's and DL to help get multiple but it won't come all at once.

They are the same on offense where it is always changing personnel types. Used to be two-TE or dominant outside (Moss) or slot heavy (Welker/Edelman). Seems like they are always/often pretty good running the ball even without top tier RB's.

They are so established that they can bring in different types of players at every position and adapt the scheme around them. It's not like it will be in 2019 Miami when you have to teach the entire team new schemes, IMO.

Right now they are using hybrid ILBs that can also rush the passer a bit. No straight up pass rush specialist but guys that are good at a couple different things. Of course this was different just a few years ago. They have also been a bend-don't-break defense for the last couple of years. Give up yards but not points.

They used to be a predominant 3-4 when they had Seymour and Wilfork. More of a 4-3 when they had Ninkovich, Chandler Jones, Jerod Mayo, Hightower and Jamie Collins.

If Flores has learned anything from BB, I hope its to be adaptable and not force round pegs in a square hole.

Just my recollection.
 
Need good edge rushers and even better linebackers than what’s on this team to run a 3-4. This is going to be a defensive heavy draft. I likey. :up:

I think Jachai Polite is being a bit underrated thus far, I really like this kid, I love his creativity on his way to the QB, never does he give the blocker a center to focus on, always dipping a shoulder, deeking his opponent, kind of like how a good point guard gets to the hole, he's 6'3 250, quick, athleticism is coordinated to execute all responsibilities as a linebacker and coming off the edge in pass rush situations, he's just got a lot of talent, and the icing on the cake is his motor, this is a relentless football player.
 
You're on it, hoops. The exception to the undersized edges would be guys who can also play LB, as NE likes LB's who can blitz and/or rush off the edge, and generally battle with OL, and Hightower and Van Noy were two of their most valuable defenders throughout the playoffs. Miami doesn't currently have a LB like either on the roster. Doubt they'd look to spend big in FA to acquire one, but Anthony Barr would be a great fit (better role for him than what Minnesota asked him to do). Josh Allen won't fall to Miami, but he'd be a fit. Don't think guys like Polite or Burns have enough tape at LB to say they'd fit, and Burns is light for that role, too.
You know thats why I love the combine so much J, Ive seen Polite drop some and he looks good doing it, but the combine will show that specific athleticism where you can project the movement required in that role.
 
right. converted edges to off the los lbs in the pats system. and like you said josh allen no chance. most of those types get drafted as 34 olbs fail there and then get kicked to off the los lbs to try and rescue their careers. exceptions obviously but to use high draft capitol on that is highly projection based. it's easy to project josh allen for the ask cause of his joy stick movement skills and barr has nfl space tape play too but I think I'd be getting the poa and win the los on the los ask fits frame and game wise with my high picks in year 1 .

and I know you don't like rashan gary and I don't much like his outside shoulder win at the next level but I could see Miami viewing him as it's jumbo version of trey flowers with more inside scheme ask versatility and letting the scheme drive the pass rush over the pure edge outside shoulder win talent. we need more physical power players so we don't get our asses kicked at the los every time we face a physical front. we are soft. term I would use is finesse. of course there are other options for the ask too which wont cost you as much draft capitol.
yeah for sure, Gary is the opposite of finesse.
 
So i know we’re discussing draft LB’s / DL, but I don’t know if it’s totally out of the realm of possibility that we try to bring flowers down here. Probably will be too costly but would at least fill a need with a good player for awhile and maybe somewhat free up the draft

I like the idea of Anthony Barr here too
I was a fan of Van Noy coming out, not sure why detroit couldn't use that beautifully coordinated overall skill set, but if you could get the bigger version of him in Anthony Barr, man would that be a nice piece to work with and build around.
 
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Zach Allen after watching him struggle during Senior Bowl practices, I think will slide into a late 2nd early 3rd round area. He looked over matched and very lumbering. Not sure he's more than a 2 down player in the NFL. He'll stop the run but won't offer much else.
he's a heavy player down low, so you have to careful of weight gain there, sets the edge and plays behind the LOS very nicely, just limited in his quickness as a pass rusher.
 
You're on it, hoops. The exception to the undersized edges would be guys who can also play LB, as NE likes LB's who can blitz and/or rush off the edge, and generally battle with OL, and Hightower and Van Noy were two of their most valuable defenders throughout the playoffs. Miami doesn't currently have a LB like either on the roster. Doubt they'd look to spend big in FA to acquire one, but Anthony Barr would be a great fit (better role for him than what Minnesota asked him to do). Josh Allen won't fall to Miami, but he'd be a fit. Don't think guys like Polite or Burns have enough tape at LB to say they'd fit, and Burns is light for that role, too.
Montez sweat
 
I think Godchaux played 3 technique, 5 tech & NT in college. (Changed scheme 3 times)

Vincent Taylor was a two-down player in college from what I read but they both had around the same sack numbers in college. 12-12.5 but Taylor has 23 TFL's compared to 19 for DG.

Taylor was on the field for only 54 percent of his team's defensive snaps in 2016, per PFF College, and wasn't a three-down player. His lack of stamina could lead to a rotational role rather than a full-time one. Taylor has limited pass-rush moves and relies on power to beat blockers.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...king-the-drafts-top-defensive-linemen#slide20
 
He’s very versatile, I see him as a stronger Leonard Floyd. I believe he can also play in coverage as a lb from time to Rome when he’s not rushing, I can see him playing 4-3 end, 4-3 lob, 3-4
Lash rusher. Everything but dt kid is going to be a stud right out the gate, the tape and numbers prove it, great athlete at 6”6 and everything I’ve read all says he uses his handS very good and knowS how to move his feet and hand fight simultaneously. THREAT
 
I was a fan of Van Noy not coming out, not sure why detroit couldn't use that beautifully coordinated overall skill set, but if you could get the bigger version of him in Anthony Barr, man would that be a nice piece to work with and build around.

Van Noy was my favorite player in that draft. So smart and versatile at BYU. Always turning and finding the ball even while dropping into coverage. Reminded me of an early '70s Dolphins defender. I thought Van Noy would be first round but once his senior season was more quiet and he dropped into the second round I remember posting in the draft forum that I'd take whoever in the first but then be thrilled to pick up Van Noy in the second, essentially cementing the draft right there.

I was sick when the Lions took him. Strange franchise. Many players seem to get lost there, although others prosper like Sanders and Calvin Johnson.

The Patriots were so sharp to keep an eye on Van Noy and pick him up once his stock dropped. Likewise with Danny Shelton, who I didn't like where Cleveland took him but certainly worth more than the Patriots paid. That's what I have always emphasized regarding paying attention to how players were rated throughout their lives. Don't shoot someone well up the ladder solely based on recent. But find guys whose recent form and reputation doesn't match their long term rating. Value supreme.

If we can somehow replicate Patriot smarts then everything will take care of itself. New England always seems to confuse and sucker the opposing team with this stuff like we'll send you a 3rd and take your 5th along with Player X. Meanwhile, Player X was once a highly rated player and now you've got him for nothing more than dropping a bit in a mostly congested area of the draft anyway.

I don't agree regarding Godchaux at nose tackle. As hoops posted, his instincts are to shed and penetrate. Godchaux plays more narrow than his listed weight. Vincent Taylor may technically be lighter but his instincts are first step square to the offensive lineman. Plenty of girth and could get bigger. He is better suited to nose. But the only pure nose type on the roster is Kendrick Norton.

I love the standup defenders smack across from the quarterback's face. New England did that in the second quarter and beyond, and particularly on third down once Tannehill had given them trouble early in that game. It changed Miami's rhythm and confidence on offense. I wasn't surprised it likewise terrorized the Rams.

But opponents will laugh at the Dolphins if tiny guys like Jerome Baker are filling those roles.
 
I say we DO have the pieces for the 3-4 D..
Cuz whatever you call what we were running last year, we certainly didn’t have the pieces for..
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Van Noy was my favorite player in that draft. So smart and versatile at BYU. Always turning and finding the ball even while dropping into coverage. Reminded me of an early '70s Dolphins defender. I thought Van Noy would be first round but once his senior season was more quiet and he dropped into the second round I remember posting in the draft forum that I'd take whoever in the first but then be thrilled to pick up Van Noy in the second, essentially cementing the draft right there.

I was sick when the Lions took him. Strange franchise. Many players seem to get lost there, although others prosper like Sanders and Calvin Johnson.

The Patriots were so sharp to keep an eye on Van Noy and pick him up once his stock dropped. Likewise with Danny Shelton, who I didn't like where Cleveland took him but certainly worth more than the Patriots paid. That's what I have always emphasized regarding paying attention to how players were rated throughout their lives. Don't shoot someone well up the ladder solely based on recent. But find guys whose recent form and reputation doesn't match their long term rating. Value supreme.

If we can somehow replicate Patriot smarts then everything will take care of itself. New England always seems to confuse and sucker the opposing team with this stuff like we'll send you a 3rd and take your 5th along with Player X. Meanwhile, Player X was once a highly rated player and now you've got him for nothing more than dropping a bit in a mostly congested area of the draft anyway.

I don't agree regarding Godchaux at nose tackle. As hoops posted, his instincts are to shed and penetrate. Godchaux plays more narrow than his listed weight. Vincent Taylor may technically be lighter but his instincts are first step square to the offensive lineman. Plenty of girth and could get bigger. He is better suited to nose. But the only pure nose type on the roster is Kendrick Norton.

I love the standup defenders smack across from the quarterback's face. New England did that in the second quarter and beyond, and particularly on third down once Tannehill had given them trouble early in that game. It changed Miami's rhythm and confidence on offense. I wasn't surprised it likewise terrorized the Rams.

But opponents will laugh at the Dolphins if tiny guys like Jerome Baker are filling those roles.

Like you always talk about, stick to your instinct on player evaluations, if your smart as an organization you will keep track of those players that go to other destinations, miss evaluations happen all the time around the league, when you see it, pounce.

As far as Godchaux goes, its a good point, I think because of the way he's built combined with how I think Taylor is the better movement player I'm making that assumption.
 
Zach Allen after watching him struggle during Senior Bowl practices, I think will slide into a late 2nd early 3rd round area. He looked over matched and very lumbering. Not sure he's more than a 2 down player in the NFL. He'll stop the run but won't offer much else.
You know thats why I love the combine so much J, Ive seen Polite drop some and he looks good doing it, but the combine will show that specific athleticism where you can project the movement required in that role.



I like Polite. Not sure he's a fit, but he's very good.
 
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