Miami Dolphins Scheme Changes Will Be Challenging Says Grier

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  1. hoops

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    I think hes more Melvin ingram with less thump in his hands but maybe a little more fluidity. I don't see chandler jones at all but I could see some Jamie Collins like projection. keeping in mind that Jamie Collins coming out off the los was highly projection

    im betting that someone values and drafts polite as a starting 34 wolb primary provided he doesn't come in too light. height wise he looks like hes 6 foot 3 to me so that will help. and probably post combine top 15. Edge pass rush talent trumping off the los lb projection.
     
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    Also Polites body has room to get more developed, stronger, bigger..I don’t look at his body and say gym rat/understands nutrition type athlete at this point.
     
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    He surely doesn’t project as a def end so it’s either outside linebacker with some rush skills or he ain’t the guy..
     
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    When I think Ingram I think - strength first ... Chandler Jones I think speed / edge..
    I guess Polite somewhere in between.
    I’m still taking Mr Wilkins.
    You want to be multiple? You need flexibility but more importantly need smarts.
    Wilkins checks every damn box. No flags. Played with smart Def HC and DEF Coord.
    Will be 10 year starter. Pro bowl potential.
    #2 DT behind Q Williams.
    I don’t understand why this guy isn’t getting the love.
     
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    I think because our edge is more desperate than our interior..

    If we don’t go qb all the blue chips will be off the board, maybe a trade down will be the right move in this draft, we have time to think about that.
     
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    Agree that Edmunds has more upside, particularly as a blitzer and probably rushing off the edge, but I'd say that both he and LVE are projections rushing off the edge, and LVE has the physical tools of a high-end pass-rushing OLB - ridiculous combination of burst, agility, and size. Edmunds would be ideal in the Hightower role and a better fit than LVE, but LVE would still look great in that role imo.

    I don't know if they'll prioritize an edge-rushing OLB. I don't have the numbers, but I feel like Hightower blitzed much more often than he rushed off the edge (throughout the season and playoffs). He's also a true LB in the sense that he fills gaps inside and battles OL in the run game, which is why Edmunds and LVE make sense as players who could potentially fill that role. NE prefers long, thickly built DE's, and they don't prioritize speed off the edge (with the exception of Rivers, who was a 3rd Round pick). But Flowers and Wise both have huge wingspans - in the top 2 or 3 in each if their respective classes. Without looking it up, I believe they may have each had the largest wingspans in their class. Same with Chandler Jones. In terms of type, Charles Omenihu stands out as the most prototypical NE DE in the draft to me. Super long (36 1/2" arms, 84 3/4" wings) and well-built (274 lbs). Nelson, who we have mentioned has a 83 1/4" wingspan, and he might remind them of a taller Flowers. Qualifier: Senior Bowl measurements can be off. But, they're probably not THAT off. NE likes DE's who are kind of tweeners between even and odd-front DE's. Along with their big LB's, it allows them to put so many DB's on the field. While they are versatile in what they do, this allows them to play to the strengths of the 2nd and 3rd levels, limiting how much they ask their LB's to cover and, consequently, limiting mismatches in coverage.
     
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    He was only a part timer because CeCe and Zuniga were on the roster ... along with the young depth at DE that needed snaps. I wouldn't read too much into that.

    The lack of off ball tape is legit but it's not like he was asked to do it and couldn't. Whichever team drafts him will focus on the pass rush skills and work on rounding out the rest of his game.




    Adding bulk is not an issue either. His frame can add plenty before you worry about scraping the athlete. Zuniga is more of a concern there. And he can flatten just fine on the way to the QB ... although there are so many other moves in the arsenal that he doesn't need to one trick pony.
     
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    He'd be a much better fit in the gaping-9 than Harris ... but I agree that rush LB is putting him in the best position to succeed.
     
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    As always brother, I enjoy your posts. Good to have you here.
     
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    Great thread. Hey so how does Jerome Baker fit in the scheme? I don’t recal NE every having a smaller LB with speed like Baker.
     
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    I had no idea omenihu is that long.
     
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    I'm not concerned exactly. It's just nice to see a player do something before you check a given box. I'm not concerned about his size, given that he was a DT pretty recently. While I have him listed as a Top 20 player, I'll likely view him as one of the Top 10 players in this class, and he looks he'll test really well.
     
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    draft rookie defense player can go either way good or bad. you can find DE,DT, NG, all in later rd. dolphins will draft qb this yr. either 1st rd or 2nd rd. I cannot see dolphins not running 4-3 in 2019. maybe 2021 running 3-4 defense. this defense should be better next yr. lot young players are coming back next yr. just need be coach better add dept. we need DE,OG,cb and qb. this team is not as bad as people on here think.
     
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    The scheme change could possibly change the outlook on Harris

    I don't see why Vincent Taylor couldn't play the nose unless his strength isn't up to par
     
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    Don't see how Harris would fit tbh.
     
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