Mike Wallace, the OL, and Go, Go Go AGAIN!

[Butterfrog 2.0]

Mike Wallace: I was really excited when we got him and I hate to say this and I'll probably get flamed for it but the guy reminds me a lot of Ted Ginn. Very fast WR who drops passes, runs bad routes, gives up on routes, and is soft. He seemed to have an impact the first few games simply because other teams respected his speed and would roll coverage in his direction opening things up for the other guys but this isn't even a factor anymore because the guy just isn't making plays. The idea of paying this guy 17 mil next season is sickening.

The OL: I thought the Tackles played decent and McKinnie is definitely a better player than Clabo but some of you that are saying the OL played really well and the sacks were all on Tannehill need to either go re-watch the game or get your heads examined. I was sitting their shaking my head because we actually got decent OT play for the first time this season and then the OG's played like crap. Incognito had a terrible game in Pass Pro and Jerry wasn't much better. Then there were a couple of jail break blitzes where a Defensive Back was allowed to come through untouched on Tannehills blind side and how anybody could say that's on the QB is beyond me. There were a lot of other plays where Tannehill threw the ball and got knocked down or had someone right in his grill. Is Tannehill to blame for some of it, sure he is, there have been times where he's held on to the ball too long or didn't avoid a sack when he could have but the guy is being forced to throw the ball early on way too many throws. Some of it is the crappy OL, and some of it is the piss poor scheme. In 7 games he has been sacked almost as many times as he did in 16 games last season, and you really think it's all his fault? As one of our veteran posters would say... GET REAL!

The Go and Go Go's have got to GO! I've been pretty pissed about this for a few weeks and it's really irritating me more and more that it hasn't stopped. Last night I was talking to a guy I know who used to be an offensive line coach in college football and his take on this was and I quote "If I was still coaching and the QB Coach, OC, and HC were allowing that to happen I'd be trying to get a coaching position with a different program the next season". He said if it's really happening every play(which it is) then it absolutely makes things more difficult for the OL, it almost completely eliminates any deception with Playaction passes, and it makes life harder on the RB's. He asked me a few times if I was sure that was happening and if it was really every play and he found it very hard to believe that an NFL coaching staff would allow that to go on. I asked him how much of an overall impact he really though it had on the games so far and he said "Well if you have games that end up being lost by a TD or less do you really think that the score couldn't have been reversed if the other team didn't know if it was run or pass on every play?"

 

[SCOTTY]

I am perplexed at the GO GO. Just watching the game I can see the cadence giving the linebackers their first move. The CBs give it away too, that this stupid Go Go crap is an easy read. They jump slant routes like no other. How can it be so obvious to everyone expect Philbin and Sherman. I watched the game with a Pats fan and they were laughing the entire time. He said to me his son's pee wee team wouldn't even do something so amaturish.

 

[SCall13]

I was NOT excited when we signed Wallace. Didn't want him. We threw a butt load of money at a guy who absolutely did NOT deserve it. And now we have to deal with this cap hit for several years. It sucks, but it is what it is. He is a better receiver than what his stats show but, again, not as good as the $$$. He has a serious case of the drops and shows no desire to be THE MAN on the field. He's bitched off the field (and probably still is, just not to the media). I would honestly rather have Ginn. He's averaging close to 5 yards more per catch that Wallace. He has 2 TDs (which is one MORE than Wallace.) And he is doing this as basically the 3rd WR. Ginn also is a major threat as returner. I'm prepared to get flamed for saying this, but it's true. Ginn has actually matured and gotten way better as a WR. Not saying he is worthy of his draft status, but he IS another example of why you don't give up players too soon.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

^^ Yea, it's bad man. Out of all of the dumb things this franchise has done this might be one of if not THE worst. You couldn't even tell me that it's no big deal and it doesn't give the opposing team that much of an advantage because if it gives them ANY advantage at all then it's still the dumbest thing going on in pro sports. Even if it's only helped the opposing team make a couple extra plays per game which it has to be way more than that, that's two damn plays we might have been succesful on that we werent. If you don't tip off that it's a pass and you are running a playaction pass then who knows maybe a DB actually bites on the fake which they haven't done all season.

 

[Avalanche of Wins]

I am perplexed at the GO GO. Just watching the game I can see the cadence giving the linebackers their first move. The CBs give it away too, that this stupid Go Go crap is an easy read. They jump slant routes like no other. How can it be so obvious to everyone expect Philbin and Sherman. I watched the game with a Pats fan and they were laughing the entire time. He said to me his son's pee wee team wouldn't even do something so amaturish.

im sure the fact that we can't protect even on 3 step drops and the kid sometimes locks on his targets are more responsible for the route jumping

 

[retarmyfinfan]

That go ad go, go **** is just plain dumb. Same as yelling run or pass

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

im sure the fact that we can't protect even on 3 step drops and the kid sometimes locks on his targets are more responsible for the route jumping

You don't think that letting the defense know when we are going to pass is helping them get to the QB on a more consistent basis?

 

[So Be]

If I understand this, a Go is a run and a Go Go is a pass, and the D, already set for the play, will make an adjustment if in that fraction of a second they hear a second Go.

Does that mean that the DL is hesitating on getting off the ball in waiting to see if they hear a second Go? What am I missing?

 

[hestar]

This coaching staff and qb need to GO GO

 

[Longshot]

If I understand this, a Go is a run and a Go Go is a pass, and the D, already set for the play, will make an adjustment if in that fraction of a second they hear a second Go.

Does that mean that the DL is hesitating on getting off the ball in waiting to see if they hear a second Go? What am I missing?

Using this logic, we could simply go up to the line and yell "hut hut run" or "hut hut pass" with zero impact?

 

[Schleprock]

If I understand this, a Go is a run and a Go Go is a pass, and the D, already set for the play, will make an adjustment if in that fraction of a second they hear a second Go.

Does that mean that the DL is hesitating on getting off the ball in waiting to see if they hear a second Go? What am I missing?

Other way around. GO are passes and GO GO are runs.

yes, a defensive play call may be set, but if they all know what word to listen for, then their immediate reaction on the snap of the ball will be to play the type of playcall they know is coming. Hear GO GO and they're charging the line and coming to support run. Hear GO and they are jumping routes and pinning ears back going after the QB. When you know whether it is run or pass you have eliminated 50% of your concern. You may not have the exact defense called to cover every play, but knowing whether to run up and tackle, or drop into pass protection sure as hell helps!!

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

If I understand this, a Go is a run and a Go Go is a pass, and the D, already set for the play, will make an adjustment if in that fraction of a second they hear a second Go.

Does that mean that the DL is hesitating on getting off the ball in waiting to see if they hear a second Go? What am I missing?

Go is a pass and GO GO is a run. No it doesn't mean the DL is hesitating to see if they hear a 2nd go, but if they only hear one and the ball is snapped then they know to go balls out after the QB and ignore the RB. You hear all the time how the elite pass rushers get to pin their ears back and go right after the QB on 3rd and long because they know more than likely it's a pass, well when you play the Dolphins you don't have to wait until late downs and long distances because we will gladly tell you what we are doing right before we snap the ball. Let's put it this way... do you think it would be an advantage for the opposing defense if Tannehill yelled PASS or RUN right before the snap? If you say yes then you should see why this is so stupid because it is essentially the same thing.

 

[Avalanche of Wins]

ive said before personally i think this cadence issue is over-rated. i dont think defense will have enough time to adequately react to it, it would be gambling on their part, and really prime us for a big play off play action if it was actually being used against us. i certainly could be wrong and this is just my opinion. it isnt like ryan is coming to the line, yelling "go" waiting 4 seconds for the defense to react and then getting the snap...

 

[scodoublet]

I agree.
3rd and long is so hard to convert because the D knows you are most likely passing.
Well, if you are a Defense playing against Miami, you know if it's a pass/run every down, not just on 3rd!
Any advantage, or disadvantage, is big. This one seems ridiculously unnecessary to me.

 

[rkr8619]

the go go-go thing is killing me. I saw the game yesterday with my brother and he thought i was a psychic or something. Coaching staff is stupid