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This will be a critical off-season. The Dolphins are highly likely to retain Grier and Flores and unless they hit an almost perfect off-season, then let's face it, next season will be lost as well with us firing them half way through the year.

Unfortunately, our front office seem to have certain habits which get them into trouble. Below is my list of all the things I think they need to AVOID doing:

1. Fixing things that don't need fixing. To me, the biggest error of the Grier era (and going back a long way before that). Grier loves to churn the roster. It is partly due to issue 2 below. But with training camp so limited it is very hard to integrate new players. Chemistry is everything, yet the Dolphins never develop any because we always churn the roster far too much. That is why we have so many bad starts. The Fins have multiple needs that probably cannot be addressed in one off-season - so it would seem to make sense to leave the things that are not a major problem alone. In this case, that means the D. Just leave it alone. Re-sign everyone, add a draft pick or two but stop dicking around. They are not the best in the league but certainly good enough to get us in the playoffs. In reality, Grier will churn half the starting defence just 'because' he thinks he can do better wheeling and dealing. He can't. The same D with another year together will be just fine. Same applies to Gesicki - re-sign him or tag him. End of. Grier is not just going to magically find someone better. He is fine, the rest of the TE's are fine, just leave it alone. Focus on the things that are utterly crap first.

2. Trying to be smarter than everyone else. This has been the culture in the Fins FO for decades, and Grier is a major offender. Hence the major reaches all over the draft. The FO needs to face reality - their ability to evaluate talent is below average so fixating on a player that other people don't rate is not a good plan. Make the obvious picks and stop messing around with the roster just for the sake of it. We need solid contributors more than we need to roll the dice looking for a franchise player.

3. Tweeners. A result of (2) above. Constantly drafting people who don't have a fixed position on the assumption that they are so clever they can pick someone who can play anywhere. The OL is the evidence that this approach DOES NOT WORK. If you want a LT, draft someone who actually plays that position and play them there. We constantly draft for 'versatility' and then spend the whole training camp trying to work out where everyone fits. OL is about chemistry. Draft guys who play the positions you need, set the OL at the start of camp and coach them to play together. If someone is injured, replace that position rather than shuffling the whole line. On D, we have the same issue. If you want a FS, draft one, don't draft a great 'athlete' with the delusion you can coach them to do what you want. Igbo being exhibit 1 here.

4. Stuck in the middle FA. The Fins used to go big on FAs and usually overpaid for the wrong person. Now, they seem to sit out the big picks, then panic and overpay for the third rate talent. A better strategy would be to go hard at whichever big name player you really want, but also go hard and early for the lower (eg second tier) talent to get them off the board before everyone else starts looking there. We allow the better second tier talent to go while we are 'playing it cool' and then overpay for what is left. We are not going to fix this team in FA - nobody every does. We need limited goals. Get OL help (seriously no point drafting more OL as we clearly can't do that) and maybe a WR. Then just stop.

5. Running back by committee. I still think the NFL is wrong in its valuation of RBs. The key to success in the NFL is to be COUNTER the trend - as Belichick says, if you want the same players everyone else wants, there is not enough talent to go around. Just because 80% of the NFL thinks that you should not spend high picks on a RB does not mean they are right. Go hard and high for a franchise back, then give him the ball constantly. RBs are perfectly capable of carrying 30 times a game - they always have been. If we think Duke is the solution, go with him. But choose a franchise back and go with it. Like, er, the Titans - you know, the #1 seeds.

6. Silly final cuts. Every year there seem to be inexplicable decisions in the final cut where players who have had a great camp are cut whilst gadget players are retained (only to be cut again later). Keep it simple - you perform you stay. We always seem to be trying to be too clever, cutting a high profile player 'just because' and keeping random guys for no apparent reason.

7. Guys with injuries. Why, oh why do we keep doing this? As Parcells said, the most important ability is availability.

I haven't mentioned QB. I honestly don't know what to do there. I have been a big Tua backer, but you can't deny the obvious problems. I think I would take a QB in the first round if someone good enough falls to us. Otherwise, it is veteran backup time (not Brissett obviously) and one more year.

However, I confidently predict that the Dolphins will do all of the above. But hey, they are the experts. It shows, obviously...!
 
This will be a critical off-season. The Dolphins are highly likely to retain Grier and Flores and unless they hit an almost perfect off-season, then let's face it, next season will be lost as well with us firing them half way through the year.

Unfortunately, our front office seem to have certain habits which get them into trouble. Below is my list of all the things I think they need to AVOID doing:

1. Fixing things that don't need fixing. To me, the biggest error of the Grier era (and going back a long way before that). Grier loves to churn the roster. It is partly due to issue 2 below. But with training camp so limited it is very hard to integrate new players. Chemistry is everything, yet the Dolphins never develop any because we always churn the roster far too much. That is why we have so many bad starts. The Fins have multiple needs that probably cannot be addressed in one off-season - so it would seem to make sense to leave the things that are not a major problem alone. In this case, that means the D. Just leave it alone. Re-sign everyone, add a draft pick or two but stop dicking around. They are not the best in the league but certainly good enough to get us in the playoffs. In reality, Grier will churn half the starting defence just 'because' he thinks he can do better wheeling and dealing. He can't. The same D with another year together will be just fine. Same applies to Gesicki - re-sign him or tag him. End of. Grier is not just going to magically find someone better. He is fine, the rest of the TE's are fine, just leave it alone. Focus on the things that are utterly crap first.

2. Trying to be smarter than everyone else. This has been the culture in the Fins FO for decades, and Grier is a major offender. Hence the major reaches all over the draft. The FO needs to face reality - their ability to evaluate talent is below average so fixating on a player that other people don't rate is not a good plan. Make the obvious picks and stop messing around with the roster just for the sake of it. We need solid contributors more than we need to roll the dice looking for a franchise player.

3. Tweeners. A result of (2) above. Constantly drafting people who don't have a fixed position on the assumption that they are so clever they can pick someone who can play anywhere. The OL is the evidence that this approach DOES NOT WORK. If you want a LT, draft someone who actually plays that position and play them there. We constantly draft for 'versatility' and then spend the whole training camp trying to work out where everyone fits. OL is about chemistry. Draft guys who play the positions you need, set the OL at the start of camp and coach them to play together. If someone is injured, replace that position rather than shuffling the whole line. On D, we have the same issue. If you want a FS, draft one, don't draft a great 'athlete' with the delusion you can coach them to do what you want. Igbo being exhibit 1 here.

4. Stuck in the middle FA. The Fins used to go big on FAs and usually overpaid for the wrong person. Now, they seem to sit out the big picks, then panic and overpay for the third rate talent. A better strategy would be to go hard at whichever big name player you really want, but also go hard and early for the lower (eg second tier) talent to get them off the board before everyone else starts looking there. We allow the better second tier talent to go while we are 'playing it cool' and then overpay for what is left. We are not going to fix this team in FA - nobody every does. We need limited goals. Get OL help (seriously no point drafting more OL as we clearly can't do that) and maybe a WR. Then just stop.

5. Running back by committee. I still think the NFL is wrong in its valuation of RBs. The key to success in the NFL is to be COUNTER the trend - as Belichick says, if you want the same players everyone else wants, there is not enough talent to go around. Just because 80% of the NFL thinks that you should not spend high picks on a RB does not mean they are right. Go hard and high for a franchise back, then give him the ball constantly. RBs are perfectly capable of carrying 30 times a game - they always have been. If we think Duke is the solution, go with him. But choose a franchise back and go with it. Like, er, the Titans - you know, the #1 seeds.

6. Silly final cuts. Every year there seem to be inexplicable decisions in the final cut where players who have had a great camp are cut whilst gadget players are retained (only to be cut again later). Keep it simple - you perform you stay. We always seem to be trying to be too clever, cutting a high profile player 'just because' and keeping random guys for no apparent reason.

7. Guys with injuries. Why, oh why do we keep doing this? As Parcells said, the most important ability is availability.

I haven't mentioned QB. I honestly don't know what to do there. I have been a big Tua backer, but you can't deny the obvious problems. I think I would take a QB in the first round if someone good enough falls to us. Otherwise, it is veteran backup time (not Brissett obviously) and one more year.

However, I confidently predict that the Dolphins will do all of the above. But hey, they are the experts. It shows, obviously...!
The Dolphins are highly likely to retain Grier and Flores
That right there would be the biggest mistake of the offseason.
 
Too much info to comment on all of it.
I can agree with minimal tweaking of the D.
The OL (again) must be improved. New OL coach, free agent or two and (ugh) more draft picks.
Agree with drafting a RB but we cannot have both a high pick QB and a high pick RB. Which to choose?
By now we are in the late rounds and not much difference there compared to UDFAs and they pan out less often and take time to develop.
 
1. Agree- keep. what does not need fixing and add small pieces. For D I would look MLB
1b) I would spend big or draft first round RT and leave the rest to develop. That were pass protecting not bad recently and opening some running lanes for Duke
- If anyone does not see that Oline is an issue for many teams....last night TJ 4 sacks when left to be guarded by RT alone....9 sacks total for Steelers against a Cleveland line that I think ranks fairly high. We need continuity there as well with a stud RT (Tua's blindside)

2. Agreed
3. Don't necessarily agree but get your point. During Titans game they talked about how Vrabel rolls combinations of Oline through training camp to get as many players comfortable to play in positions they may have to play due to injury/ COVID etc.
4. Avoid Suh signings- Sign Ogbah/ Gesicki sure or if an Armstead/ D.Adams becomes availble then hesitantly yes. Just do not cripple the cap for that big splash if it is not a 5 year guaranteed pro bowl type player
5 .Agreed 10000%- If there is a stud RB in RD2 take him, don't wait to try getting him in Rd3
6. Agreed 1000% - why Trill- he lost me the predict the roster because we cut J. Perry
7. Hard to predict- I get it with Parker fully and Tua somewhat. Just too hard to predict like Tua getting destroyed from that RT blindside against the Bills. I think Tua is smart enough to not get hurt if he sees it coming.

8. Give Tua a year with a 2nd year tackle, 3rd year guards, Deiter and ?RT? plus a RB and add at least one good receiver to do what Fuller was supposed to do for us and see if we have a future star. Love his accuracy, not consistency. Love his drive and think he has tools to become much better. Especially if he can think about being a QB and not a survivor.

If Tua fails after given these things, then we will have 2 first rounders already next year to gauge what we could possibly acquire.

All in all thank you for the thought out post that is not just a rant from frustrated fans @archer101
 
How bout starting out 1 and 7

Well, he did say off-season,

I'll go with...
  • Any player or coach being photographed with hookers and blow.
  • Rushing into any large contract with personnel that either like to strip and gesture in NFL stadiums or may be potentially facing major NFL discipline, jaIl time, or a move more than 2 miles from a school zoine.
 
Well, he did say off-season,

I'll go with...
  • Any player or coach being photographed with hookers and blow.
  • Rushing into any large contract with personnel that either like to strip and gesture in NFL stadiums or may be potentially facing major NFL discipline, jaIl time, or a move more than 2 miles from a school zoine.
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Business as usual, 4 year plan relative to the depth of this rebuild, our assets and cap space accrued are a part of that rebuild..

Rebuild the oline..rebuild the lines staff

Skillset players in the draft.

If a franchise Qb wants to be a dolphin you can entertain that idea when everything is kosher, of if Russell Wilson says he and Cierra want to come to south beach.

Build the team, stay on the plan.year 4 is your apex, let’s see what they can do.
 
This will be a critical off-season. The Dolphins are highly likely to retain Grier and Flores and unless they hit an almost perfect off-season, then let's face it, next season will be lost as well with us firing them half way through the year.

Unfortunately, our front office seem to have certain habits which get them into trouble. Below is my list of all the things I think they need to AVOID doing:

1. Fixing things that don't need fixing. To me, the biggest error of the Grier era (and going back a long way before that). Grier loves to churn the roster. It is partly due to issue 2 below. But with training camp so limited it is very hard to integrate new players. Chemistry is everything, yet the Dolphins never develop any because we always churn the roster far too much. That is why we have so many bad starts. The Fins have multiple needs that probably cannot be addressed in one off-season - so it would seem to make sense to leave the things that are not a major problem alone. In this case, that means the D. Just leave it alone. Re-sign everyone, add a draft pick or two but stop dicking around. They are not the best in the league but certainly good enough to get us in the playoffs. In reality, Grier will churn half the starting defence just 'because' he thinks he can do better wheeling and dealing. He can't. The same D with another year together will be just fine. Same applies to Gesicki - re-sign him or tag him. End of. Grier is not just going to magically find someone better. He is fine, the rest of the TE's are fine, just leave it alone. Focus on the things that are utterly crap first.

2. Trying to be smarter than everyone else. This has been the culture in the Fins FO for decades, and Grier is a major offender. Hence the major reaches all over the draft. The FO needs to face reality - their ability to evaluate talent is below average so fixating on a player that other people don't rate is not a good plan. Make the obvious picks and stop messing around with the roster just for the sake of it. We need solid contributors more than we need to roll the dice looking for a franchise player.

3. Tweeners. A result of (2) above. Constantly drafting people who don't have a fixed position on the assumption that they are so clever they can pick someone who can play anywhere. The OL is the evidence that this approach DOES NOT WORK. If you want a LT, draft someone who actually plays that position and play them there. We constantly draft for 'versatility' and then spend the whole training camp trying to work out where everyone fits. OL is about chemistry. Draft guys who play the positions you need, set the OL at the start of camp and coach them to play together. If someone is injured, replace that position rather than shuffling the whole line. On D, we have the same issue. If you want a FS, draft one, don't draft a great 'athlete' with the delusion you can coach them to do what you want. Igbo being exhibit 1 here.

4. Stuck in the middle FA. The Fins used to go big on FAs and usually overpaid for the wrong person. Now, they seem to sit out the big picks, then panic and overpay for the third rate talent. A better strategy would be to go hard at whichever big name player you really want, but also go hard and early for the lower (eg second tier) talent to get them off the board before everyone else starts looking there. We allow the better second tier talent to go while we are 'playing it cool' and then overpay for what is left. We are not going to fix this team in FA - nobody every does. We need limited goals. Get OL help (seriously no point drafting more OL as we clearly can't do that) and maybe a WR. Then just stop.

5. Running back by committee. I still think the NFL is wrong in its valuation of RBs. The key to success in the NFL is to be COUNTER the trend - as Belichick says, if you want the same players everyone else wants, there is not enough talent to go around. Just because 80% of the NFL thinks that you should not spend high picks on a RB does not mean they are right. Go hard and high for a franchise back, then give him the ball constantly. RBs are perfectly capable of carrying 30 times a game - they always have been. If we think Duke is the solution, go with him. But choose a franchise back and go with it. Like, er, the Titans - you know, the #1 seeds.

6. Silly final cuts. Every year there seem to be inexplicable decisions in the final cut where players who have had a great camp are cut whilst gadget players are retained (only to be cut again later). Keep it simple - you perform you stay. We always seem to be trying to be too clever, cutting a high profile player 'just because' and keeping random guys for no apparent reason.

7. Guys with injuries. Why, oh why do we keep doing this? As Parcells said, the most important ability is availability.

I haven't mentioned QB. I honestly don't know what to do there. I have been a big Tua backer, but you can't deny the obvious problems. I think I would take a QB in the first round if someone good enough falls to us. Otherwise, it is veteran backup time (not Brissett obviously) and one more year.

However, I confidently predict that the Dolphins will do all of the above. But hey, they are the experts. It shows, obviously...!
Very nice post, I agree with all of this. Very insightful.

I would also suggest they completely rearchitect their scouting department and their scouting process. Whatever they are doing, doesn’t work. Are they doing it by geography or by specialization? I really like the idea of having specialists who only focus on one position or two. For example, two or three guys who are absolute experts at all of the left and right tackles in the country at every level. And that’s it. the same for every other position. Whatever they are doing isn’t working. They are really dropping the ball at evaluating offensive players and they have for some time. They need to do something to improve their success rate with offensive player evaluation both free agents and draft picks.

The other bit is the offensive coaching staff. I would stage an intervention and really help Flo put really good Offensive staff together, because what he has is not good enough. Co-offensive coordinators? Utter shite. He doesn’t seem to know how to assemble and manage a staff on that side of the ball and that will be the death of him and this team next year if it doesn’t get sorted.
 
Well thought out ! Thx for your time and effort you put into it.
 
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