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Raiders | Playbook Much More Advanced, Says Moss
Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:46:48 -0700

Hansen Shieh, of Raiders.com, reports when asked to compare the Minnesota Vikings' playbook to that of the Oakland Raiders, WR Randy Moss said there was no comparison. "It's night and day," Moss said. "The playbook in Minnesota was like one-plus-one. Here it's more like Algebra II. It's very complicated and I'm trying to get the plays down to where I can line up and after you do all that, everything else is very simple. It's a transition for me that I'm going through that's very challenging. I'm trying to put myself up for the challenge and make this thing happen."



Apparently Randy doesn't think that there's too much of Scott Linehan's playbook.......but thinks that the Raiders have a very complex scheme.

Raises a few questions, at least for me.

1) Do I care what Randy says, he is IMO the type of person who could say anything at any time to suit his current situation. Now that he's in Oakland is he basically going to praise them and thrash anyhting Vikings? Is Collins better than Culpepper now?

2) Was he given information at a slower pace when he came up as a rookie and now is being bombarded with everything all at once and getting confused??

3) Is Norv Turner the one designing the system in Oakland, or does he have a OC of note who has his own system.....I always assumed that NT would just implement his system, the same one we ran for a couple of years. So is Norv's system actually more complex that the one that Linehan will implement?

4) Does the intricacy of the offence really matter, or are we comfortable just to say the the offense is "more wide open" than what we previously had. I know that Norv liked to run the ball a lot, but he also preferred (by reputation at least) a vertical game. So is our even going to be more wide open than the one we had with Norv?

Your thoughts.......(hopefully more than "Randy Moss is an idiot")
 
More complex doesn't mean it's better. I don't really believe anything Moss says. I do believe he'll trash the Vikings any chance he gets.
 
The more simplistic our offensive is... the easier it is to learn for our guys. It is gunna be a wide open offense no matter what, and that is the important part. But if the language is also easy and simple to learn... that is great news! Hopefully that will speed up the process of Feeley learning the new schemes...

Nasty
 
Nasty said:
The more simplistic our offensive is... the easier it is to learn for our guys. It is gunna be a wide open offense no matter what, and that is the important part. But if the language is also easy and simple to learn... that is great news! Hopefully that will speed up the process of Feeley learning the new schemes...

Nasty

Nice positive spin, I'll buy that.

But the way I looked at it was that the pieces on the field haven't changed much (aside from HB), so I was looking for a better offensive game plan to make a big difference. The comments from Moss just got me tinking a little bit as to whether we are gonna get anything better than what we saw with Norv.
 
Moss is going to take any shot he possibly can at Minnesota. If he was still there, he would be singing their praises to try and get the ball more. At the end of this season, we will see how his numbers compare from that of last year.
 
burger13 said:
Nice positive spin, I'll buy that.

But the way I looked at it was that the pieces on the field haven't changed much (aside from HB), so I was looking for a better offensive game plan to make a big difference. The comments from Moss just got me tinking a little bit as to whether we are gonna get anything better than what we saw with Norv.

The thing is... is that we have NEVER had an offensive game plan... It was run run run... punt... That isnt a game plan. Now we have a guy who can look at the defenses we will be playin and breakdown the weaknesses and best matchups we have and capitalize on them... gee... it feels so good to be like a normal team again...

Nasty
 
Who cares what Moss says? The bottom line is that Linehan's offense was either #1 or at least in the top 5 his entire tenure in Minnesota. He has a proven track record and he did it with egos like Moss.

Obviously, talent is part of it. Linehan had more to work with than we've had here in awhile, but he has proven to be a very effective coordinator and I am certain he will be successful here. We also have Houck, don't forget, which makes any coordinator look good.
 
Moss's game plan in Minny:

Run. Fast. Catch. Keep running. Drive over cop.
 
It comes down to execution. I hate to leave it at a cliche, but it is true. If the linemen block, the receivers run their routes and catch and the QB can deliver the ball, it doesn't matter what type of system we have.

What I like is that all the reports I have been seeing recently say that the offense seems to be doing ok. Ricky looks good ( even though I still don't want him on the team ) and Chambers looks amazing as usual. Hadnot looks like the real deal as well and along with McDougle and James, we now have three actual linemen it seems.

I think Bryan Cox said it best. The offense is going to be better than anyone expects, but the defense will probably take a step back.
 
Losman7 said:
Moss's game plan in Minny:

Run. Fast. Catch. Keep running. Drive over cop.


Didn't he also run over an old lady?


Moss better play like he did in Minny because he is on my FF team.
 
Complex does not mean better. We had Norv Turner here and our offense never produced. Personally I don't believe he is the offensive genius people say he is. Minnesota has always had an explosive offense. Execution is key. If its too complex its impossible to execute. Look at Gruden. I think he is an excellent coach be he is too high on himself and his playbook and verbage is unnecessarily complex, its actually ridiculous.
 
The best part is Randy Moss referencing Algebra II!!!! You think he even knows what that is?
 
greatwade said:
The best part is Randy Moss referencing Algebra II!!!! You think he even knows what that is?


Of course he does, that is the class he should have failed four years in a row but passed due to his football talent.
 
Complicated does not mean better....Wise had a complicated OL scheme and Houck Runs a simple one...there is no doubt which is better.
 
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