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Are you shocked that the better passing QB is throwing more? Are you shocked Dan Marino led the league in attempts in his GOATed season? Not only throwing more but more accurately and with a far far better Ratio of interceptions especially ratio'd at attempts as you mentioned. An elite QB is always going throw more hence why Mahomes still had more attempts thrown despite 1 less game played than Tua last season. Tua throwing less to try to contextualize his stats doesn't make him look better because he's not a type of to put his team on his back with his passing ability. That's what Burrow, Tua, Mahomes do and more importantly, contextualize those stats against team with a winning record and still holds a better consistency. 433 more passing attempts while still having the same amount of Interceptions as Tua is insane on it own. And 8 TD as well as you pointed out. But no one is shocked that the average passing leader a season throws more than the other QBs trailing behind, like Prime Rodgers, Mahomes, Josh Allen etc... When said a passing leader wins the season in yards don't contextualize those to that attempted less because it's silly. Of course, they threw more and by statistics favoring that, they had more opportunities for TDs. Like degrading Dan Marino's goat passing season in 1984 and comparing them to other QBs and arguing others could have done better if they attempted as many passes as Dan did which led the league in attempts. If he was as good as him passing they would have attempted but this season ignore the noise around both teams between Tua and Burrow and focus on the cast around them and the stats they've produced, it's no question who's been better. It's ridiculous to only focus on efficiency when QB 1 is attempting far less and then adding context to how those stats were acquired against good to mediocre opposition. Nonetheless, Burrow somehow has the same amount of Ints, and significantly more TDs, while also remaining slightly more accurate (which usually by statistical odds tends to go down when you attempt significantly more passes). I get what you're alluding too but Tua isn't that kind of QB where he would ever average what Burrow does and goes to show how much each team values the passing ability of their QBs. And why I believe Burrow is easier better. Not saying Tua isn't serviceable but he's not in the tier of Allen, Burrow, Mahomes. And those three attempting more passes on average is not the reason but an indicator of what QB ability they have.
A QB throwing more does not mean hes better, i do agree burrow is better but it has nothing to do with his pass attempts. He has more attempts because they have no running game and need to throw the ball to do anything on offense.

sam howell led the NFL in pass attempts last year. I think that says everything you need to know.
 
Burrow, Herbert and Tua are each good qbs. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses. Tua's concussion concerns are legit. I won't say injury concerns, with the exception of the concussions he's stayed pretty healthy in the NFL with rib , wrist and thumb injuries, but nothing major concerning elbows, shoulder or knees.
 
You are giving opinions. I am talking facts. Tua has been better than Burrow throughout their careers and better than mahomes the last 2 years. He has also been better than Allen over the past 3 years.

Stats are the only way to fairly rate players. Otherwise you are just giving biased opinions.
Fact?? LOL.

Try putting your obvious bias aside, I know it's hard to do.

It looks really good pounding bad teams and throwing for 3 or 4 TD's but if you can't do it against good teams it doesn't mean much.

The only facts are there aren't many people outside of our fan base who would rank Tua a top 5 QB, let alone a top 3 QB.
 
Are you shocked that the better passing QB is throwing more? Are you shocked Dan Marino led the league in attempts in his GOATed season? Not only throwing more but more accurately and with a far far better Ratio of interceptions especially ratio'd at attempts as you mentioned. An elite QB is always going throw more hence why Mahomes still had more attempts thrown despite 1 less game played than Tua last season. Tua throwing less to try to contextualize his stats doesn't make him look better because he's not a type of to put his team on his back with his passing ability. That's what Burrow, Tua, Mahomes do and more importantly, contextualize those stats against team with a winning record and still holds a better consistency. 433 more passing attempts while still having the same amount of Interceptions as Tua is insane on it own. And 8 TD as well as you pointed out. But no one is shocked that the average passing leader a season throws more than the other QBs trailing behind, like Prime Rodgers, Mahomes, Josh Allen etc... When said a passing leader wins the season in yards don't contextualize those to that attempted less because it's silly. Of course, they threw more and by statistics favoring that, they had more opportunities for TDs. Like degrading Dan Marino's goat passing season in 1984 and comparing them to other QBs and arguing others could have done better if they attempted as many passes as Dan did which led the league in attempts. If he was as good as him passing they would have attempted but this season ignore the noise around both teams between Tua and Burrow and focus on the cast around them and the stats they've produced, it's no question who's been better. It's ridiculous to only focus on efficiency when QB 1 is attempting far less and then adding context to how those stats were acquired against good to mediocre opposition. Nonetheless, Burrow somehow has the same amount of Ints, and significantly more TDs, while also remaining slightly more accurate (which usually by statistical odds tends to go down when you attempt significantly more passes). I get what you're alluding too but Tua isn't that kind of QB where he would ever average what Burrow does and goes to show how much each team values the passing ability of their QBs. And why I believe Burrow is easier better. Not saying Tua isn't serviceable but he's not in the tier of Allen, Burrow, Mahomes. And those three attempting more passes on average is not the reason but an indicator of what QB ability they have.
First of all man paragraphs are your friend Jesus Christ that was tough to read.
2nd of all I've heard people use all kinds of stats to determine how good a QB is like, passer rating or y/a or what have you but never in my life have I ever heard anyone ever say pass attempts=elite QB.
So by your definition, Sam Howell was an elite QB last season because he led the league in pass attempts?

Dan Marino didn't just have impressive bulk stats in 1984 he also led the league in efficiency stats. #1 in TD% with 8.5%, #1 in pass y/a with 9.0, 3rd in completion % with 64.2, lead the league in passer rating with 108.9. The following year in 1985 he had more pass attempts than his 1984 season yet his efficiency took a deep decline. TD% down to 5.3%, y/a down to 7.3, comp % down to 59.3, passer rating down to 84.1. So yeah you're right duplicating the same pass attempts does not mean duplicating the same numbers.

I never said to focus on efficiency numbers solely I said efficiency adds context to the numbers.
All things being equal INT wise according to your logic QB1 below would be the superior QB but I assure you every single coach would rather have the more efficient QB.

QB 1 goes for 400 of 691 attempts, 4555 yds and 25 TDs
QB 2 has goes for 268 of 402 attempts, 3465 yds and 25 TDs

At the end of the day NO, having more pass attempts does not simply mean you are a better QB. It could mean your defense sucks so you have to play catch up, it could mean your run game sucks so you have to be 1 dimensional and throw more, it could mean your coach favors throwing moreso than passing. Since 2022 Jared Goff has the 2nd most pass attempts and Geno Smith has the 4th most and they are not one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL.
 
You are giving opinions. I am talking facts. Tua has been better than Burrow throughout their careers and better than mahomes the last 2 years. He has also been better than Allen over the past 3 years.

Stats are the only way to fairly rate players. Otherwise you are just giving biased opinions.
100% complete bullshit!!!
 
Fact?? LOL.

Try putting your obvious bias aside, I know it's hard to do.

It looks really good pounding bad teams and throwing for 3 or 4 TD's but if you can't do it against good teams it doesn't mean much.

The only facts are there aren't many people outside of our fan base who would rank Tua a top 5 QB, let alone a top 3 QB.
People out of our fan base dont watch every single snap.

I dont really care what they think.
 
Tua is an above average QB until proven otherwise. Yes, he can beat up on inferior opponents.

Even last game against dreadful patriots there was a sequence where he basically threw back to back picks over the middle. Poor throws that could’ve cost us, but the Patriots suck ass.

I hope he balls out, but we are one concussion away from disaster in the most violent sport on earth. Good luck with those odds.
 
Who gives a ****, stop making excuses, **** is gonna happen that isn’t his fault, but the end result is this, it’s been three years and he hasn’t taken over an important game that was must win and put the team on his back. Hes had plenty of chances and he hasn’t done it. I’m still holding out hope it’ll happen especially tomorrow night

Its not excuses. Its about Tua, and he didnt lose that game. Its all about how people pin the "couldnt beat good teams" like its his fault, or any QBs fault in that matter.

Ok let me ask you this... if Miami was in a scoreless defensive game against the Packers, lets say with 2 seconds remaining, we got the ball after an Interception at the opponent 20 and kicked a FG to win it. You would seem to be one of those to give credit to the kicker, team, or defense right?

As for putting a team on his back, upon his return he was right in those games with Buff and Arizona, am i not mistaken?

I get it the narrative will change a bit if we start beating good teams, or win in cold temps. But we shouldnt "pin" the loss on 1 person.
 
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Its not excuses. Its about Tua, and he didnt lose that game. Its all about how people pin the "couldnt beat good teams" like its his fault, or any QBs fault in that matter.

Ok let me ask you this... if Miami was in a scoreless defensive game against the Packers, lets say with 2 seconds remaining, we got the ball after an Interception at the opponent 20 and kicked a FG to win it. You would seem to be one of those to give credit to the kicker, team, or defense right?

As for putting a team on his back, upon his return he was right in those games with Buff and Arizona, am i not mistaken?

I get it the narrative will change a bit if we start beating good teams, or win in cold temps. But we shouldnt "pin" the loss on 1 person.
I know where you keep going with this but we live in a world where everyone always looks at the QB in team failures

It happened with Marino, the greatest QB who never won a SB. However we all know Marino won huge games and carried the team and took some Miami teams who shoulda been 6-10 and turned them into 8-8 and 10-6 teams. And He also won a Conference championship game

Unfortunately for Tua he’s never done anything yet to shake that narrative
Yeah he’s good, I agree, and I like him, and root for him, but doesn’t mean he’s good enough
Time will tell. Hope it starts tonight.
 
Tua is an above average QB until proven otherwise. Yes, he can beat up on inferior opponents.

Even last game against dreadful patriots there was a sequence where he basically threw back to back picks over the middle. Poor throws that could’ve cost us, but the Patriots suck ass.

I hope he balls out, but we are one concussion away from disaster in the most violent sport on earth. Good luck with those odds.
Im so tired of hearing about "could have" or "should have" been interceptions.

Let's go back and track other QBs could haves and should haves.
 
He hasn’t won an important game in the NFL
And that’s a fact
To you maybe . Myself i think i` would consider the game that clinched a playoff spot last year and the year before a important game.
Hell if they wanna make it to the playoffs this year ever one of their next games is a important game.
You keep being you though thinking he hasn`t won a important game .
 
To you maybe . Myself i think i` would consider the game that clinched a playoff spot last year and the year before a important game.
Hell if they wanna make it to the playoffs this year ever one of their next games is a important game.
You keep being you though thinking he hasn`t won an important game .
Thank you for your very insightful and well thought out post
You keep being you applauding wins against bad teams in the regular season
I’m more of a win in the playoffs kind of guy
 
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