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More jaw dropping Tua stats!!

MrChadRico said:
If he doesn't beat Green Bay tomorrow, he's Phillip Rivers or Kirk Cousins IMO. Nothing wrong with that...... unless you want to win SuperBowls. 😆
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Nicee .. So the game hasn`t even been played yet and it`s his fault if they lose . That there is why i don`t take anything you say seriously since your little fit with the last concussion .
 
Tua is the most mid QB possible. When we have the opportunity to move on from him in March, we should. he will never ever get it done when it counts, when it's Cold, when the chips are down etc.

He talks a good game but he cannot back it up at all. Yeah yeah you beat Gardner minshew and drake maye

Did anyone actually expect him to not **** himself here? Just once bro. Just freaking one time
 
Not blaming Tua for his HC being incompetent. McDaniel has NEVER prepared his team for a single big prime time game ever. We will NEVER win anything significant with him.

WC and first round exit is his absolute ceiling as a HC.

I tried to support him but he completely lost me tonight. He’s just an idiot of a HC.
 
superphin said:
First of all man paragraphs are your friend Jesus Christ that was tough to read.
2nd of all I've heard people use all kinds of stats to determine how good a QB is like, passer rating or y/a or what have you but never in my life have I ever heard anyone ever say pass attempts=elite QB.
So by your definition, Sam Howell was an elite QB last season because he led the league in pass attempts?

Dan Marino didn't just have impressive bulk stats in 1984 he also led the league in efficiency stats. #1 in TD% with 8.5%, #1 in pass y/a with 9.0, 3rd in completion % with 64.2, lead the league in passer rating with 108.9. The following year in 1985 he had more pass attempts than his 1984 season yet his efficiency took a deep decline. TD% down to 5.3%, y/a down to 7.3, comp % down to 59.3, passer rating down to 84.1. So yeah you're right duplicating the same pass attempts does not mean duplicating the same numbers.

I never said to focus on efficiency numbers solely I said efficiency adds context to the numbers.
All things being equal INT wise according to your logic QB1 below would be the superior QB but I assure you every single coach would rather have the more efficient QB.

QB 1 goes for 400 of 691 attempts, 4555 yds and 25 TDs
QB 2 has goes for 268 of 402 attempts, 3465 yds and 25 TDs

At the end of the day NO, having more pass attempts does not simply mean you are a better QB. It could mean your defense sucks so you have to play catch up, it could mean your run game sucks so you have to be 1 dimensional and throw more, it could mean your coach favors throwing moreso than passing. Since 2022 Jared Goff has the 2nd most pass attempts and Geno Smith has the 4th most and they are not one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL.
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Why are we even bringing up a player like Sam Howell when he's done it for one season compared to regular-season high-attempt throwers? It's ridiculous to even compare. Efficiency without adding yards in the air is silly either. It's not hard to throw 70% when you are throwing 95% of the time near the LOS. And in the context of of Burrow and Tua we know the run games since they've been drafted are comparable. Joe Nixon isn't a scrub. And Burrow has a better W-L record so playing from behind isn't a bad thing when you have a great QB that can shoot it out. We regularly play from behind, especially against good teams and rarely keep up. Both don't have a far superior defense than the other.

I'd love to see these stats contextualize against winning teams. If you add the context of a positive W-L record and high attempts per game it tends to even out you got a good QB. Lastly Goff most definitely has an argument to be the best 5th QB in the league and easily better than Tua. He actually wins against winning teams along with a 5-4 playoff record while Tua still chasing a playoff win all these years. You have to feign a lot to believe Tua could ever keep up putting those stats like Burrow with similar attempts because he'd have to step up those attempts against the teams he's lost too/winning teams which he simply has failed to produce regularly. Burrow throws at a more efficient rate all seasons combined and has a far superior TD-INT ratio contextualizing the attempts. And once we look at the stats against teams with a winning record I already know it isn't close.

Burrow passes the eye tests easily with the stats to back him up. The fans all around the country scoff at Tua stats because what he's shown on national TV hardly passes anyone's eye test.
 
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Avigatorx said:
People out of our fan base dont watch every single snap.

I dont really care what they think.
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He's no where near a top 3 QB, let's be real.

Stats look great when you're winning but when you can't beat teams with winning records, they mean nothing. Last year in 5 games again winning teams, he led us to total points of 20, 19, 17 and 14x2. Last night he led us to 17 points with 7 in garbage time.

I don't care how many 300 yard games he has if we keep losing.
 
Ray R said:
More to the point - where should he have been ranked.
Are you too lazy to rank QBs yourself?
Enquiring minds want to know.
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Why would I rank QB's for you, stop being lazy and use the internet to look. You can find tons of top 5 QB lists and Tua isn't in any of them for good reason.

When you continually lose by several scores to good teams, you aren't a top 5 QB. Stats are great when you're winning, not when you're losing.
 
DolphinDD23 said:
He's no where near a top 3 QB, let's be real.

Stats look great when you're winning but when you can't beat teams with winning records, they mean nothing. Last year in 5 games again winning teams, he led us to total points of 20, 19, 17 and 14x2. Last night he led us to 17 points with 7 in garbage time.

I don't care how many 300 yard games he has if we keep losing.
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I dont care about his stats, I care about his supporting cast and lack thereof.

Talking heads and fans from other teams have almost no insight as to what is going on with the Miami Dolphins.

Fantasy football has bred a generation of stupid fans and TMZ style analysis.

The team blows and Tua is doing the best he can with what he has.
 
Avigatorx said:
I dont care about his stats, I care about his supporting cast and lack thereof.

Talking heads and fans from other teams have almost no insight as to what is going on with the Miami Dolphins.

Fantasy football has bred a generation of stupid fans and TMZ style analysis.

The team blows and Tua is doing the best he can with what he has.
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I agree with some of what you say but he has great weapons on offense. He should have no problem putting up points, not only against bad teams but good teams.
 
DolphinDD23 said:
I agree with some of what you say but he has great weapons on offense. He should have no problem putting up points, not only against bad teams but good teams.
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He's not perfect, I never claimed that. Tua certainly has things to work on.

My point is that Tua isn't the reason we lose games, we lose games because the team is not executing plays in any facet of the game.

Tua is a very good QB, but he isn't good enough to overcome the mountain of problems the rest of the team keeps saddling him with. Very few, if any QBs can do that.

I don't think Tua is a top 3 QB. Not yet. But he is definitely top 10 and arguably top 6 in the league imo.
 
DolphinDD23 said:
I agree with some of what you say but he has great weapons on offense. He should have no problem putting up points, not only against bad teams but good teams.
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It’s the line holding this offense back- hard to put up points when you’re dealing with significant pressure all game- all the playoff QBs have effective offensive lines- this is the issue
 
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