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Moving Forward: The WRs

rickd13 said:
I think it’s more about transforming the philosophy of the offense for most people.
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Maybe, but resources are not unlimited and while a good blocking TE can certainly help the Oline unit, it isn't going to offset a poor interior.

Beyond that, I'm not sure how realistic it is to believe McD is going to completely abandon his philosophy for a completely different one.

I mean if ppl are just looking to the future and assuming a new regime comes in that reflects their own personal philosophy, well that's really just pie in the sky until it actually happens. Even that is fine, as that's part of what makes the forum and discussions interesting, but it isn't the reality as of the moment.
 
cullenbigcstill said:
Honestly I never understood why we let Trent Sherfield go...he cost near vet minimum...and gave us the physicality and toughness we've needed the past few seasons. He is gritty, a role player, and a very good blocker...and he was a SF add when McD got here...so a bit odd we just let him go.

He's really what we need on offense, we don't need to spend a ton of money or use a 1st round pick....we saw what sherfield brought to the offense 30 + catches 300 + yards multiple scores and toughness that we've lacked since he left.
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Come on man, this is why we keep River around. Lol

Idk the Grant DuBose fellow that played one series before being KO'd?
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I'm not sure of that. Ds playing 2-high and it was frequent NO WRs could get open with any consistency. I don't believe it's the WRs as much as Mcds play designs, but, at any case, if WRs can't get open, height won't matter much.
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2 high only works if you can’t run the ball which we could, we were like bottom 3. Teams won’t be able to play 2 high if they are getting gashed for 5-6 yards a carry.

You are also potentially sacrificing a blitzer while in 2 high so if you have a line that can protect, defenses will get exposed. Even the best secondary’s can only cover for 3-4 seconds. Giving a qb time will almost always be unstoppable.

This is why addressing the guard position is so vital. It literally fixes 70% of this teams issues. Fixes the run game, fixes the passing game, will contribute to Tua not having to play hero ball resulting in availability issues and third and short issues.
 
MARINO1384 said:
2 high only works if you can’t run the ball which we could, we were like bottom 3. Teams won’t be able to play 2 high if they are getting gashed for 5-6 yards a carry.

You are also potentially sacrificing a blitzer while in 2 high so if you have a line that can protect, defenses will get exposed. Even the best secondary’s can only cover for 3-4 seconds. Giving a qb time will almost always be unstoppable.

This is why addressing the guard position is so vital. It literally fixes 70% of this teams issues. Fixes the run game, fixes the passing game, will contribute to Tua not having to play hero ball resulting in availability issues and third and short issues.
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Again, I agree, but multiple times MIA's receivers couldn't get open. This isn't a debate on WHICH cause but an identification of multiple causes.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Again, I agree, but multiple times MIA's receivers couldn't get open. This isn't a debate on WHICH cause but an identification of multiple causes.
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Big difference in not being able to get open in 1-2 seconds vs 3-4+ seconds.

I’d show you but I’m not sure we’ve ever seen a single 4 second blocking line in Tua’s career lol
 
MARINO1384 said:
Big difference in not being able to get open in 1-2 seconds vs 3-4+ seconds.

I’d show you but I’m not sure we’ve ever seen a single 4 second blocking line in Tua’s career lol
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Quite a few, but we know this . . . Mcd's O is quick timing patterns. If TT sees no open receivers in 2.2, that's not all OL
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Quite a few, but we know this . . . Mcd's O is quick timing patterns. If TT sees no open receivers in 2.2, that's not all OL
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Let's hope he learned something and comes to the realization that an offense has to be more than that narrow of a philosophy. It is inherently limited.
 
Hill will return. It makes no sense to trade him. We won't get anywhere close to equal trade value. We would incur a lot of dead money. Our offense becomes much easier to defend without him.

I believe Waddle is over rated and over paid but he will be here for the foreseeable future.

MW is a decent return specialist and probably best suited as a number 4 WR due to physical limitations.

I think we need to add another WR with some size. Oronde Gadsden ll at 6'4 215 could be a good option in round 5. He was listed as a TE at Syracuse but he really has the body of a tall WR.
 
We need a real dawg especially at the WR position, soneone that wull fight for the ball and not just look to go down or to the sideline
 
Mach2 said:
Maybe, but resources are not unlimited and while a good blocking TE can certainly help the Oline unit, it isn't going to offset a poor interior.

Beyond that, I'm not sure how realistic it is to believe McD is going to completely abandon his philosophy for a completely different one.

I mean if ppl are just looking to the future and assuming a new regime comes in that reflects their own personal philosophy, well that's really just pie in the sky until it actually happens. Even that is fine, as that's part of what makes the forum and discussions interesting, but it isn't the reality as of the moment.
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I don’t think it would be a stretch for McDaniel to evolve his style. He’s capable and smart enough. I’m not taking a position either way. I would prefer that they not take a TE in the first round but I could see the vision of transforming the style of offense. It is kind of what the Bills did. They went from a wide open throw the ball all over the place offense to trading Stefon Diggs and drafting Dalton Kincaid and becoming more of a run the ball two tight end offense.
 
MARINO1384 said:
2 high only works if you can’t run the ball which we could, we were like bottom 3. Teams won’t be able to play 2 high if they are getting gashed for 5-6 yards a carry.

You are also potentially sacrificing a blitzer while in 2 high so if you have a line that can protect, defenses will get exposed. Even the best secondary’s can only cover for 3-4 seconds. Giving a qb time will almost always be unstoppable.

This is why addressing the guard position is so vital. It literally fixes 70% of this teams issues. Fixes the run game, fixes the passing game, will contribute to Tua not having to play hero ball resulting in availability issues and third and short issues.
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The biggest issue this team has had under McDaniel, IMO, is that a wide zone blocking scheme only works if you are a run first team. The entire point of the scheme is to have athletic guys who can move in space and run block. The threat of being able to run at any time keeps defenses honest. Your QB doesn’t need a ton of time in the pocket when RPO and quick passes are nickel and diming all day. At some point you take your shot when you get single man coverage on a WR/TE you like.

Our terrible OL is the root of all our issues. Defenses don’t have to respect the pass because they can generate QB pressure with 3 or 4 man fronts. You run 2 high, clog the middle of the field and our passing game is toast because the IOL allows immediate pressure. Even when Tua has time he is throwing into 7-8 guys in coverage.

Two above average OG immediately turn this offense around. Fans want more shiny toys, but the team needs to address the interior on both sides of the ball. I would be totally fine if we didn’t draft a player under 285 pounds in the first 4 rounds this year.

To the original topic; I think we should move Achane to WR. His size is always going to lead to durability issues at RB. He would make a solid gadget player you could move all over the field.
 
ThePeopleShow13 said:
The biggest issue this team has had under McDaniel, IMO, is that a wide zone blocking scheme only works if you are a run first team. The entire point of the scheme is to have athletic guys who can move in space and run block. The threat of being able to run at any time keeps defenses honest. Your QB doesn’t need a ton of time in the pocket when RPO and quick passes are nickel and diming all day. At some point you take your shot when you get single man coverage on a WR/TE you like.

Our terrible OL is the root of all our issues. Defenses don’t have to respect the pass because they can generate QB pressure with 3 or 4 man fronts. You run 2 high, clog the middle of the field and our passing game is toast because the IOL allows immediate pressure. Even when Tua has time he is throwing into 7-8 guys in coverage.

Two above average OG immediately turn this offense around. Fans want more shiny toys, but the team needs to address the interior on both sides of the ball. I would be totally fine if we didn’t draft a player under 285 pounds in the first 4 rounds this year.

To the original topic; I think we should move Achane to WR. His size is always going to lead to durability issues at RB. He would make a solid gadget player you could move all over the field.
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Yup with you a 100% even down to achane to wideout, been saying that for a while. I’d still give him maybe 3-5 runs and some pass catching duties from the backfield but I think we are wasting his talent trying to make him an everydown back and running him 15 times a game.

I’m signing the best guard you can afford in free agency for LG and drafting the best linemen available at 13. Ideally we trade back to 18-20 and pick up a 3rd but either way it’s a massive mistake if we don’t invest heavily in the trenches
 
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