Moving Jonah Savaiinaea To RG This OS Make Sense?

[Stoobz]

I agree with the bleacher report, although there was another mock with the same player comparison. Probably people being lazy and linking the Samoan connection.

I liked that tape. I was curious to see how he handled speed and edge rushers because I figured like Jonah strength and mauling isn't an issue.
He looked good handling the counter moves and speed moves from the edges. Also nice that he can get to the second level.
Overall I like this tape. My main concern is if he pops up both on Thursday and during the combine he might raise his stock.
ESPN has him going 3rd to Arizona and is picking Fano. CBS has him 14 and Fano 15.
CBS has us picking Sadiq the TE, lol. I'd be ironic that now that I don't feel we should get a TE but rather improve the line we go and get a TE.

I keep seeing Sadiq's name popping up. I would rather trade down than draft him - unless of course he's at least as good as Tyler Warren

I say it almost every year, trade down and acquire picks. We need help almost everywhere!

(I damn sure hope Jonah has a jump step up in ability next season!)

 

[GRYPHONK]

The zone blocking scheme that McDaniel runs requires symmetry between the guard positions. So no, there’s not really any difference between LG and RG in this scheme in terms of what they are asked to do. The idea that he’s better or worse at one OG position in this wide zone scheme is just silly. You could make the case that you want your weaker run blocking OG on the side you run to less, or your weaker pass blocking OG on the side you roll out to less. Bottom line, he’s just not a good player at ANY line position. Nothing to do with right vs left.

Seriously. Some of you need to seriously educate yourselves on the Guards responsibilities in this system. Not all zone blocking is the same.

You can't just Google Zone blocking scheme and think one size fits all in reference to this scheme.

This has been talked about, at length in previous threads by posters way more knowledgeable than myself lol. There's a very specific reason Daniels was never a consideration to play LG despite his play history.

 

[Some Dude]

This is exactly what happened when Philbin brought his fancy blocking schemes to Miami. O-linemen under Sparano who were decent and held their own against the tough physical d-lines of the Jets and Bills suddenly became ineffective against those same d-lines under Philbin, and Miami started to lose more of those games. During Tannehill's first four years he was sacked more than any other QB. I'm sure some of those were his fault, but the o-line had a lot to do with that.

And now, McDaniel is more finesse-oriented than Philbin ever was. So, combine his weak-a$$ blocking schemes with Grier's inability to build a good strong o-line and you get a line that can't protect the QB or help convert 3rd or 4th and short on the ground. Thankfully Grier's gone, but if McDaniel stays, then he's just going to ruin any new o-linemen that the next GM gets.

what's weak about the schemes under McDaniel in Philbin? I thought it was just a more mobile scheme serving a different purpose.

 

[Mr Fan]

what's weak about the schemes under McDaniel in Philbin? I thought it was just a more mobile scheme serving a different purpose.

Yes and and no. McSmurf scheme are a bit confusing, there are many times I'm not entirely certain what they are trying to do except create confusion in the defense (which is ok sometimes, but all the time is counterproductive and is really hard on player not experienced with the scheme.

There also a lot weird techniques they have been using over the years. Here is an example, I forget which OL coach it was (under Flores I believe), but he employed an arm technique that left the chest of every lineman open on one side (which is a major no no if you want to maintain leverage on a bull rush or even be properly balanced). With McSmurf scheme, these guys have got to be gymnasts and the tackles on islands most of the time.

Now, is this because of the shift to multiple 4/5 WR sets, some of it sure...but if your OL has to make great plays just to function, you better have 5 all pros up front. If you noticed the line started playing a lot better when they brough in the unbalanced 6th lineman and the fullback.

 

[Phins up]

I keep seeing Sadiq's name popping up. I would rather trade down than draft him - unless of course he's at least as good as Tyler Warren

I say it almost every year, trade down and acquire picks. We need help almost everywhere!

(I damn sure hope Jonah has a jump step up in ability next season!)

Just get the best player available. Regardless of position. We don't have top 15 players at any position but RB. Yes we have many holes but I'd be nice if we start drafting difference makers.

 

[gofins60]

what's weak about the schemes under McDaniel in Philbin? I thought it was just a more mobile scheme serving a different purpose.

What's weak? I believe someone posted that they're one of the worst teams at converting 3rd or 4th and short on the ground. Many times I've seen the offense throw the ball in short yardage situations because they know that they can't win at the line of scrimmage, especially near the goal line.

IMO, if you can't run the ball and gain a few yards when the defense knows you want to run, then you have a weak o-line. And in Miami's case it's because of the combination of a poor o-line and McDaniel's offensive philosophy and finesse blocking schemes.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Only FH thinks there's a big difference between LG and RG in a zone scheme. Savaiinea was unsuccessful because of his lack of abilities, not because of a "position switch".

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The point is that there was no reason to move him. Daniels had played 32 games as a pro at LG. Jonah played on the right side. Just gives the rookie more to think about when his head is already spinning. It is not at all usual for players to flip flop positions. The Dolphins have done it with Dallas Thomas, Liam E, Connor Williams, and others. Seems to be an odd fascination with this team.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

That's ridiculous, you don't know more about this system than McQueasy and neither do I.

It's a QB driven league, Jonah playing on the left or right didn't make a difference, our b*** a** QB did and all those who supported him, like McQueasy.

How the QB plays has nothing to do with the LG looking completely lost at times. It has nothing to do with the LG whiffing on blocks, having his weight too far forward, or getting bullrushed like he is wearing roller skates. I do agree it is too early to give up but the same was said about Liam E.....

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Speaking of Jonah.... WTF is he doing on this play?????

 

[djphinfan]

If I was GM I would put out an email to all 32 GM and see who liked Jonah in the draft and work out a deal, some sucker will go for it

 

[NEPA Phin Phan]

If I was GM I would put out an email to all 32 GM and see who liked Jonah in the draft and work out a deal, some sucker will go for it

Supposedly NE was rumored to like him and was going to pick him and that’s why Miami traded up.

 

[Merc Nasty]

Speaking of Jonah.... WTF is he doing on this play?????

lmao i remember seeing him on the ground a few plays. I watched that clip over to see how each lineman did. Only 2 players actually blocked a man on that play Borom and Brewer. Stranger completed missed his man, Jonah fell down and let 2 men thru and Paul didnt seem to block anyone either and was in the 2nd lvl.
Our OGs are so **** im surprised we ran as well as we did this year.

 

[Zounds]

Seriously. Some of you need to seriously educate yourselves on the Guards responsibilities in this system. Not all zone blocking is the same.

You can't just Google Zone blocking scheme and think one size fits all in reference to this scheme.

This has been talked about, at length in previous threads by posters way more knowledgeable than myself lol. There's a very specific reason Daniels was never a consideration to play LG despite his play history.

You think I googled zone blocking scheme? Typical dipshit FH response. And also a reason why some of the more knowledgeable people haven't posted here in years. We don't need to google zone blocking....maybe some of us have actually played in one. No ****.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

LOL, I think they need to gut the entire scouting staff:

From ChatGPT:

Left Guard (LG): The “Stopper”​

Miami tends to value at LG:
Primary traits

• Strong pass-pro anchor
• Ability to handle 1-on-1 vs penetrating 3-techs
• Good hands and balance in tight spaces

Why

• Tua Tagovailoa is left-handed → right side is his blind side
• But Miami still often puts better interior rushers on the offense’s left
• The LG is frequently:
  
  • Backside on wide zone
  • Responsible for preventing interior disruption that kills timing routes

So the LG must:

• Cut off penetration
• Hold firm in pass sets
• Win without much schematic help

Think: less flashy, more reliable.


Well..... that is a fail, so far.

 

[GRYPHONK]

You think I googled zone blocking scheme? Typical dipshit FH response. And also a reason why some of the more knowledgeable people haven't posted here in years. We don't need to google zone blocking....maybe some of us have actually played in one. No ****.

That's nice. Now educate yourself on the guard play in THIS scheme before you claim others make a "typical dipshit FH response"

Could care less if you played in a zone blocking scheme if you clearly think one size fits all and the LG and RG in THIS system are one in the same and only need symmetry.

Yet I'm the reason more knowledgeable posters, you know the ones who understand the diferrent duties of the LG and RG in this system don't post much here anymore.