Mythbusters: Dolphins Narrative Edition

[FINFANFOREVER1972]

This has reached the point of absolute ridiculousness. It's like words have no objective meaning.

Tua has 100% shown that he can make plays outside the pocket and off schedule. Miami winning or losing to those teams has no bearing on that fact. He has done it repeatedly and is therefore objectively true.

Learn what words mean. If all you want to do is complain about things that were not even addressed in my original post go, start another hater thread. God knows there aren't enough.

Did I say anything about Tua??? Words have meaning so stop putting words in mine. I'm a die-hard Dolphin fan like you but I refuse to be delusional. I stand by my statement which was about the team is "soft" and so is their Coach. They have talent but they in 3 years under McGenius. The Miami "Frat-house" has failed to deliver a knock-out blow to quality playoff teams. When and if they do...they will be legit Super bowl contenders. Until then, I'm not drinking the same delusional, disappointing Kool-Aid that we all have been drinking for the last 25 years!

 

[NY8123]

Yep, in that category he's doing great. That's why I've joked about him putting pickle ball courts on the canopy roof.

Ross's priorities are the property and assets of the team. The success of the football on the field is way down the list of importance.

Maybe this is why I'm wanting to burn all my Dolphins stuff. I've never had a season, where I've felt such hatred towards the team. I can't put a finger on one thing that's causing it. I think it's an amalgamation of alot of things, but Ross is definitely part of it.

Years and years of let down. I honestly have stopped watching the NFL as much this year and transitioned back to college ball and getting my happy ass outside to do **** I want to do. A friend of mine made me have an epiphany, "why ruin my day over something I have absolutely nothing but time, money and emotion invested in?" I have the ability to change all of those thing positively for me.

 

[DANTODUPER]

Disagree, we are contenders at full health. We were not even close to full strength the last two playoff losses. Do you think its a coincidence that our offense went down the drain last year after tbe Tennessee game when we lost Connor Williams, who was one of the top rated centers in the league at the time, and had to replace him with Liam Eichenberg, who ended up as one of the worst? Most of our o-line after that, including in the playoffs were backups, or playing out of position. Tyreek was injured, we had NO edge rushers because both Chubb and Phillips were out for the season.

"Are we really here to cheer for this team beating the average teams?"
- Do we control the schedule? So should we NOT look for positives in the wins and the well-played games against good teams? One can be happy with performances while still hungering for more. Both can be true. If the ONLY thing that is worth anything is how Miami plays against teams over .500, then you might as well skip most of the games the rest of the season.

"we don’t have an OL that can sustain blocks or impose the running game"
- We ran at will over the Bills and the Cardinals. Losing Jackson and not having Ingold hasn't helped, but hopefully (can I be hopeful? is that allowed?) with Ingold back and Lamm practicing with the first strings, the run game will get back on track.

Yes, as a fan since WoodStrock, I am well aware of our history. So lets talk about that a little; have you forgotten that before McDaniel, Miami REGULARLY lost to teams they SHOULD have beat? For literal decades, the Dolphins played down to the opponents level. Now, Miami routinely beats the teams they should beat, and what do we do? We're so jaded by our history, we use that against them in the "can't beat good teams" narrative. Like an abused dog who can tell the difference between someone reaching out to pet them or beat them. We turn what should be a good thing, into a bad thing. - Except, you understand this is a sport, right? That it's actually a game that's MEANT to be enjoyed. It's not physical abuse, and if it affects you to the level of feeling emotionally abused, then I suspect there issues elsewhere in your life that should be addressed and I would suggest checking out betterhelp.com.

If you feel good about cheering for a team that hasn’t won anything since the 70s and hasn’t been to the SuperBowl since early 80s then I can’t argue with you.

If you feel happy whenever your team beats the average team but rarely beats the contender then is up to you. Every point of view is valid. It’s just a matter of how any of us feel and relate success. To many having a C or B- is good, to many others a B+ or A- but to some others the standard of good is A.

You can’t judge us for demanding A and not being happy with C o B+ just because you feel great with mediocrity. I don’t.

I don’t feel like the sky is falling down when we lose or fail year after year for many decades, because this is just a hobby and a distraction. But also don’t like to invest money or time on something that just don’t deliver the result I demand.

Why I am demanding it? Because I love the team and I think the NFL is the ONLY sport in which the best organizations win.

You see international soccer and the big budget teams almost always win their leagues. You see baseball and basketball and it’s almost the same thing. Not the NFL. This is the ONLY sport in which small markets like Green Bay or Buffalo have a chance. That’s because of salary cap that creates parity. It’s a beauty, but also a big frustration for us the excellency demanders to witness this team fail year after year.

You can have your happy mediocrity! I envy you. I wish I was like that but that’s just not me. Sorry.

 

[DANTODUPER]

Those who succeed in life find the good, rather than the bad, to work with and on.

Winners focus on tooling and retooling. Improving.

Losers fixate on the failures. And nothing more.

Actually winners LEARN from mistakes and improve. Learning is NOT doing the same things and expecting different results.

Winning has nothing to do with success in life. It’s just success in a Sport.

Success in life is different to each person and depends upon his values, religion, cultural background and what they have learned in the journey of life.

But organizations that are commonly associated with success on this modern era are frequently disruptive. That means innovation, difference makers, creativity, out of the box thinkers and so on. That’s NOT retooling. Mike might be it in this line of thought but if we think we are “close”, we are fooling ourselves.

We need the equivalent of Mike in a GM. Then let him decide what to do next.

 

[JamesWsenior]

If you’re seriously burning your Dolphins stuff, please go donate it to someplace where it might have a positive impact/at least keep someone clothed. It might also sooth your hatred.

Man I wish who I have on ignore with this one.

Let me guess...

 

[JamesWsenior]

Did I say anything about Tua??? Words have meaning so stop putting words in mine. I'm a die-hard Dolphin fan like you but I refuse to be delusional. I stand by my statement which was about the team is "soft" and so is their Coach. They have talent but they in 3 years under McGenius. The Miami "Frat-house" has failed to deliver a knock-out blow to quality playoff teams. When and if they do...they will be legit Super bowl contenders. Until then, I'm not drinking the same delusional, disappointing Kool-Aid that we all have been drinking for the last 25 years!

Let's do the math. Two playoff games. One with Luke Skywalker at Buffalo and one in the Artic Circle with no defense. Yeah Mcgenius is the issue.

 

[Ray R]

Quit digging the hole Ray, it's not getting any better. You hit some out of the park, sometimes you strikeout. This was the latter.

Don't get yourself in such a lather, I'm not one of the mopes threatening to give up on the Dolphins or pissed off they are actually showing a pulse. I want them to win out the string and get in the playoffs in spite of the mismanagement by Grier to start the season.

Hole?
I wasn't talking about a "hole".

Now I know how you "miss your Mark". - LOL

 

[Fred Bear]

Yes, I mostly agree with this post except the highlighted defining teams that are way ahead of us. We all know from watching the Dolphins that what a team is in Oct and Nov is usually not what they are in Dec. and Jan. If the Dolphins get healthy and play and coach their best football in Dec and Jan, that will be something that hasn't happened in 40 years.

Grier is an average to above average GM, so a lot has to go right for his teams to win a championship. The Dolphins are trending in the right direction now but that trend has to maintain it's trajectory otherwise we'll end up with 7 to 9 wins and remain a mirror image of Grier's choices, average to above average.

Not seeing the above average at the moment

 

[Fred Bear]

Well you can also make a case that were two fluky plays away from losing to Jaxsonville and the Patriots. Taking us to 2-8. Those hypotheticals go both ways.

Losing out might cause Ross to initiate change, rather than having to waste another season in 2025 with Grier. But we all know that's inevitable. I'm not sure if I wanna sell my Dolphins stuff or burn it if Ross doesn't fire Grier but it's a for gone conclusion I'm out if Grier remains.

Have you got any old school stuff for sale?

 

[Penthos]

Did I say anything about Tua??? Words have meaning so stop putting words in mine. I'm a die-hard Dolphin fan like you but I refuse to be delusional. I stand by my statement which was about the team is "soft" and so is their Coach. They have talent but they in 3 years under McGenius. The Miami "Frat-house" has failed to deliver a knock-out blow to quality playoff teams. When and if they do...they will be legit Super bowl contenders. Until then, I'm not drinking the same delusional, disappointing Kool-Aid that we all have been drinking for the last 25 years!

Your original response didn't address anything that I originally posted. However, since you are so keen to go, lets go...

Context is everything. A common tactic among self-proclaimed realists is to ignore the reality of context:

1. McDaniel is a first-time head coach who himself has admitted he is still learning and growing (which is more than can be said for many people on this forum who think they have it all figured out). It's barely been 2 and a half seasons, not 3. Exaggerating facts to make things seem more negative shows a lack of intellectual integrity.

2. McDaniel put Miami in the playoffs two years in a row. Context: the first year we lost to Buffalo (in Buffalo) by less than a TD with Skyler Thompson as our starting QB. Context: the second year, we lost to the Super Bowl champions in one of the coldest games in history with a patchwork offensive line, injured receivers, and backup Defensive Ends. (OMG, a second year head coach couldn't beat a multi-super bowl winning team with their hall of fame coach and one of the best QBs in history in their house??!! What a loser!!). This year we are in second place in the AFC east, even though we were without our Starting QB for four games. Context: we lost by 1 point to Arizona who currently leads the NFC West and 3 points to the AFC east leading Bills (in Buffalo), who had to set a team field goal distance record to beat us.

3. What's "soft" is grown professional adults who won't do their jobs unless they have some drill sergeant threatening and yelling at them. If you have to have someone yell at you to motivate you to do your job, then YOU are soft Just like Jonnu Smith said to Pat McAfee, the league is changing and the old-school, Billichick style of coaching by domination is falling by the wayside.

4. If it wasn't for Tua's injury, we would be at 7-3, if not 8-2, nearly locked for the playoffs. Calling a team or it's coach soft for not winning in the NFL when the starting QB is on the bench is about the least situationally aware thing you can do. Show me ONE other team winning with their second string QB, let alone a QB brought in from other teams practice squad a week ago (context).

Have a nice day.

 

[Penthos]

This! And Shula beat teams he had no business beating ALL the time..and I guaranfookkingtee you that if Shula had this team in his tenure they’d have been in contention every year… this team has plenty of talent - go draft an o-line and a real interior defender to compliment seiler. Get some REAL linebackers and a back up qb… use draft capital on a second or third round qb - and keep doing that till you figure it out….the dolphins are always a day late and a dollar short! Always!

OMG, you're right, Miami was beating teams they had no business beating just a mere 30 YEARS AGO!! However, between Shula's retirement and McDaniel's taking over, we REGULARLY lost to teams we should have beaten, REGULARLY... I'm also old enough to remember fans running Shula out his coaching seat because he wasn't winning enough anymore. Because the league had passed him by and it was time for more modern minded coach. So maybe Shula in his prime would do better with the talent we have now, but don't forget, he had Marino, Duper & Clayton and didn't win a single super bowl with them. In fact, Shula's dolphins were REGULARLY beaten in the playoffs by Buffalo.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.

 

[fin007]

Your original response didn't address anything that I originally posted. However, since you are so keen to go, lets go...

Context is everything. A common tactic among self-proclaimed realists is to ignore the reality of context:

1. McDaniel is a first-time head coach who himself has admitted he is still learning and growing (which is more than can be said for many people on this forum who think they have it all figured out). It's barely been 2 and a half seasons, not 3. Exaggerating facts to make things seem more negative shows a lack of intellectual integrity.

2. McDaniel put Miami in the playoffs two years in a row. Context: the first year we lost to Buffalo (in Buffalo) by less than a TD with Skyler Thompson as our starting QB. Context: the second year, we lost to the Super Bowl champions in one of the coldest games in history with a patchwork offensive line, injured receivers, and backup Defensive Ends. (OMG, a second year head coach couldn't beat a multi-super bowl winning team with their hall of fame coach and one of the best QBs in history in their house??!! What a loser!!). This year we are in second place in the AFC east, even though we were without our Starting QB for four games. Context: we lost by 1 point to Arizona who currently leads the NFC West and 3 points to the AFC east leading Bills (in Buffalo), who had to set a team field goal distance record to beat us.

3. What's "soft" is grown professional adults who won't do their jobs unless they have some drill sergeant threatening and yelling at them. If you have to have someone yell at you to motivate you to do your job, then YOU are soft Just like Jonnu Smith said to Pat McAfee, the league is changing and the old-school, Billichick style of coaching by domination is falling by the wayside.

4. If it wasn't for Tua's injury, we would be at 7-3, if not 8-2, nearly locked for the playoffs. Calling a team or it's coach soft for not winning in the NFL when the starting QB is on the bench is about the least situationally aware thing you can do. Show me ONE other team winning with their second string QB, let alone a QB brought in from other teams practice squad a week ago (context).

Have a nice day.

Solid!

 

[Ray R]

Not seeing the above average at the moment

Isn't it hibernation time, or whatever bears do in the winter.
Sleep it off. - LOL

 

[Fred Bear]

Isn't it hibernation time, or whatever bears do in the winter.
Sleep it off. - LOL

It's 80 degrees here and Grier is no way near above average . Can't be happy about being mediocre . We are playing better so there's a good thing.

 

[Ray R]

It's 80 degrees here and Grier is no way near above average . Can't be happy about being mediocre . We are playing better so there's a good thing.

I didn't realize there were no Bears in Mississippi. - LOL
Doesn't the swamp "sleep" thru the winter?