Well said.Define better. Sacks? Big plays? FF, FR TFL?
Depends on how Jordan Phillips plays or if one of the rookies can make an impact. Suh has too often been washed out because of spotty play at #2DT. Still a dominant player but he would be getting 9 or 10 sacks if the other DT spot was better. Get Phillips to take on double teams and this is a much different DL. If that happens it frees up Branch or Harris as well. Suh will play more on run downs as well with Hayes in the mix.
This is not all really true.Well said.
People that believe Suh has regressed even a little bit are sorely mistaken.
He has to go against double teams and sometimes triple teams.
Phillips has to help otherwise he's done with the Fins.
I really am in awe that Phillips can't beat a one on one match up while Suh does all the dirty work Phillips was intended to do.
It seems like every time Suh gets single teamed his busts threw the line and makes a big play.
I really think our Lbing corp will help Suh and clean up the mess Phillips makes by not holding his ground (didn't think that was possible when you're as big as an elephant)
Suh should be getting the opportunity to showcase his nasty pass rushing skills.
So basically what you're saying is Suh is in the wrong scheme? You seem to hate everything and anything to do with our scheme..lol What would be your ideal scheme for us? Apparently it's not working lolThis is not all really true.
Phillips sees double teams often, especially in the run game vs plays like Inside Zone, Duo, etc. but Suh gets caught up by them as well. Not at the rate as the other DT's b/c Suh is a great player, but another prominent DT next to Suh still wouldn't detract from deuce blocks on both our tackles vs inside runs. Our defense isn't designed for a single DL to occupy multiple blockers or 2 gap play. They are all responsible to penetrate a single gap and reestablish a new LOS once run is sniffed out (that's where Phillips needs work) The LBs and safeties do need to do a better job of being being force, fill, and plug players vs inside runs b/c it takes all eleven defenders to successfully stop the run. Jones' return and a new body at MLB will help shore up some of those issues.
Where the LBs and secondary can help vs outside runs, along with the DE's sealing the edge, is effectively turning the ball back inside to Suh, which by design is how this defense is supposed to work on paper in redirecting the ballcarrier to the 3 tech (Suh).
Concerning the pass rush situations we'll almost always see a protection slide or at least a partial slide towards Suh and Wake b/c they are the most effective rushers and it can be done with confidence by the opposition b/c there is little to no threat of the blitz and little to no confusion or disguise for them to worry about presnap. These are also situations where Phillips or another mammoth at NT will be subbed by a DE so you can't really pin pass rushing issues on Phillips considering in ideal 3rd and longs he wont be on the field anyways.
Regardless, of what was said here, Phillips does need to be a more consistent presence because in doing so he will help the back 7 (not necessarily Suh) to be more effective vs the run.
No, that's not what I was saying. Suh could play in any scheme and he's fine in a 4 man front like ours, but he'll never be able to play as freely as you were describing b/c he demands the attention.So basically what you're saying is Suh is in the wrong scheme? You seem to hate everything and anything to do with our scheme..lol What would be your ideal scheme for us? Apparently it's not working lol
Ya I've always liked the 3-4 scheme as well. Do you believe Suh gets overlooked by the media and others due to our scheme and does it take away from his stats in your opinion?No, that's not what I was saying. Suh could play in any scheme and he's fine in a 4 man front like ours, but he'll never be able to play as freely as you were describing b/c he demands the attention.
And yes, I hate our scheme. I loathe the foul gym shorts (Jim Schwartz) style defense b/c it's essentially based off a single gameplan from the 90's.
I prefer the 3-4, especially in today's game, b/c it gets you more athletes on the field by putting a premium on the LB position.
Don't mean to disrespect or brush off the question but I could care less what the media has to say or what his statistics are.Ya I've always liked the 3-4 scheme as well. Do you believe Suh gets overlooked by the media and others due to our scheme and does it take away from his stats in your opinion?
Thanks for the honest debate and the time you take writing some of your analysis.
When it's all said and done, we ALL bleed Aqua and Orange!!
Oh no brother. You're not being disrespectful at all.Don't mean to disrespect or brush off the question but I could care less what the media has to say or what his statistics are.
The reason LB's Zach Thomas and Ray Lewis were so successful (beyond personal work ethic, tape study, etc.) was because of the unselfish play in front of them on the DL (Tim Bowens for Miami, Kelly Gregg for Baltimore are just a few examples) that would continue to occupy blocks to free them up to make the tackle.
Not only is that not our philosophy on our defense, but I have a sense that Suh also wants to be more involved in the playmaking aspect than simply doing grunt work of which he is fully capable of. I got that notion from his freelancing in Coyle's scheme where he'd walk off blocks to try and make the tackle instead of sticking to his assignment in holding his ground and trusting the rest of the defense to do theirs.
I get that he's a phenomenal talent, a very athletic DT, and an ideal fit to play in a penetrating front like we currently use now. But on the same note there are not many players in the NFL that could do what he is capable of strength wise in controlling two lineman on the flow to the ball carrier and creating a free defender in the front 7.