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It seems fans want the Dolphins to sign every free-agent player available but how many starting positions do we really have open? For instance if they really are telling the truth about JT, where would Pace have played in '08? If we would have signed a CB other than Samuel, would they have started over the guys we currently have? And if the FA is for depth then where do the '09 rookies fit in this year?

IMO: these are the current open starting slots this year

TE, LG, LT or RT (depending on what they do with Carey)

ILB, SS (unless Bell is back to form)

I really only see five open positions left and I think the WR, and ILB is probably already filled with Wilford and Torbor respectively. I also don't see any players left in FA that could fill these starting slots.
 
Actually I think the offensive line will be pretty set. They will draft a LT in the first or second round. That will mean Carey will move back to RT. We have Satele at C and Smiley at G. Only one Guard spot will be up for grabs.
 
QB: John Beck or Josh Mccown will start.

ILB: Torbor is here for special teams reason, I think we will draft one.

The opening positions are ILB(Don't be surprise if that's Joey porter spot if we draft Chris Long(he play on the ground), CB2( I think would be a rookie), LG, RT, WR2(I am hoping we get our Marques Colston).

We really don't know yet cuz Bill Parcells is doing a great Job not letting any one know what we will do at #1.
 
We won 1 game last year. I'd have to say every position has to improve. Just because a guy is there doesn't mean you don't try and upgrade if you can. BP will look to get young and big. This draft should hopefully bring in a couple immediate starters and hopefully more long term.
 
What QB is going to come in and start over Beck and McCown?

Also, Porter has never played ILB but I would be all about him moving inside if he can do it... this still only leaves one LB position open.

I agree just about every position needs an upgrade but there is only so much you can do each season
 
I would say the #2 corner opposite Allen is open. Im not sure SS is with Bell signed, depending on his health. I dont think ILB is an opening, but then again, Im still not 100% if Torbor and Anderson were brought here to play inside or out. Based on their past, it would appear outside, but then again, they have the size (and we have the hole) inside. So who knows.

LT for sure (with Vernon to RT) and LG. Maybe a #2 WR, though Wilford could be that guy.
 
I was all for a LT to come in the draft as well but after reading the post on Finheaven the other day (forgive me for not remembering who posted it, but it was very interesting) giving the stats of Carey vs the stats of a number of pro bowl LTs; they might want to keep him where he is. Not one holding call all season and he was only responsible for 2 sacks allowed! If true then he is more than capable at LT...

Also I think Torbor might surprise on the inside. He played really well when asked to start last year and may be better suited to the 3-4
 
Rich22 said:
We won 1 game last year. I'd have to say every position has to improve. Just because a guy is there doesn't mean you don't try and upgrade if you can. BP will look to get young and big. This draft should hopefully bring in a couple immediate starters and hopefully more long term.
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Actually if we had not been hit as hard as we were hit last year injury wise, odds are we would have won way more then 1 game....even with the horribly amateurish coaching of Cam. We are not as bad as our record said last year, but we do need a great deal of work to be contender again, and hopefully a HC that knows what he is doing.
 
two things first why is everyone thinking Torbor is only a STer are you kidding the guy stepped in for NY and played great in his roll many in NY thought he played just as well as there starter who went down. Sorry i dont remember the link. 2nd the positions open will only be (if signed players are healthy) 2 starters on oline, 1 cb starter, 1 Dline starter, and a TE that is pretty much it. Oh yeah and qb hopefully my ? can be filled with rookie starters but it could be a 7 win team with those filled...right?


QB-Beck/ McCown OT-Carey, ? nt- Ferg.
RB-Ronnie C- Satale DE- Starks, Roth
FB-Mauia G- Smiley, ? LB- Chan, Torbor, Taylor,
WR1-Ginn TE-? Porter
WR2-Wilford CB- ?, Allen,
Slot-Hagan S- Allen, Bell
 
OriginalFin said:
It seems fans want the Dolphins to sign every free-agent player available but how many starting positions do we really have open? For instance if they really are telling the truth about JT, where would Pace have played in '08? If we would have signed a CB other than Samuel, would they have started over the guys we currently have? And if the FA is for depth then where do the '09 rookies fit in this year?

IMO: these are the current open starting slots this year

TE, LG, LT or RT (depending on what they do with Carey)

ILB, SS (unless Bell is back to form)

I really only see five open positions left and I think the WR, and ILB is probably already filled with Wilford and Torbor respectively. I also don't see any players left in FA that could fill these starting slots.
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LB - I see two ILB positions since Crowder really hasn't impressed so far. Torbor has had one good 1/2 season with the G-men, that's it...Every other LB we have is unproven or projects yet to develop...

QB is a ?? Beck seems to be the man, but is he and McCown is a career backup). Who is our #3 ??

RB is a ?? Brown off injury and Ricky. Brown is a stud when healthy but he hasn't been able to stay there. Ricky...what can you say, if he comes in the way he did after his first 'retirement', great...if he comes in like last year or the year before, we're in trouble. And can he stay off the dope ?? LoBook is 3rd down back that seems to have been misused last year, but can't take over if Brown goes down. After that ...what ??

WR #3 (assuming Wilford is the man we want and Hagan hasn't impressed so far.

FB - Mauia seemed to do well, but he can't catch a pass (or for whatever reason, Cam never threw to him), and Tunaland has issues with the position since they seem to be talking to FBs and just signed one.

TE - as you mentioned...devoid of any talent.

OL - aside from the LG and LT/RT you mentioned, where is any depth ?? There are only 7 OL on the roster and three you can call starters...

CB - are you really comfortable with anyone other than Will Allen who is only a #2 CB ?? Daniels had one decent year but that was 2 yrs ago...

S - I think J. Allen will come thru, but the fact is he hasn't so far. Bell - will he ever be able to stay healthy...everyone else is just camp fodder at best.
 
OriginalFin said:
I was all for a LT to come in the draft as well but after reading the post on Finheaven the other day (forgive me for not remembering who posted it, but it was very interesting) giving the stats of Carey vs the stats of a number of pro bowl LTs; they might want to keep him where he is. Not one holding call all season and he was only responsible for 2 sacks allowed! If true then he is more than capable at LT...

Also I think Torbor might surprise on the inside. He played really well when asked to start last year and may be better suited to the 3-4
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Carey is more than likely the starting OLT next year.There are really only two guys in the draft that have realistic shot at starting at OLT their first year. That would be J Long and C Williams. Clady, Otah, Collins, Nicks etc are all longer term projects that have the talent to start maybe but are a year or two away. On the other hand there are players all the way through the 3rd that could possibly start at ORT in their first year. Guys like Greco, Benedict etc look like players that could start and do a decent job from day one.

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You can't critisize a guy like Torbor saying he has only had 1/2 of a good season. That doesn't mean he can't have a whole one here.
That's what happens when backups get to play sometimes. He didn't have stats and starts cause he was buried on the depth chart, but when he got a chance he shined...especially in the playoffs. I think he is a good sign...cheap, and could possibly play great for the fins.

I agree to that we aren't as bad as our record last year. Soo many close games, and had play calling been a bit better and we weren't hit so hard with the injury bug, things would have been different.
I actually feel like we were capable of more like a 5-11, or 6-10 team last year. I think the talent was good enough for that. Now with FA and the draft under Tuna, and better coaching...we might just win 8 games this year.

Maybe Beck can have a Marino in '85 like second season. **Crossing fingers tightly** lol
 
phinzfan21 said:
You can't critisize a guy like Torbor saying he has only had 1/2 of a good season. That doesn't mean he can't have a whole one here.
That's what happens when backups get to play sometimes. He didn't have stats and starts cause he was buried on the depth chart, but when he got a chance he shined...especially in the playoffs. I think he is a good sign...cheap, and could possibly play great for the fins.

I agree to that we aren't as bad as our record last year. Soo many close games, and had play calling been a bit better and we weren't hit so hard with the injury bug, things would have been different.
I actually feel like we were capable of more like a 5-11, or 6-10 team last year. I think the talent was good enough for that. Now with FA and the draft under Tuna, and better coaching...we might just win 8 games this year.

Maybe Beck can have a Marino in '85 like second season. **Crossing fingers tightly** lol
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It wasn't as much criticism as pointing out that he is a question mark as a starter...I agree that he showed some moxy last season, but let's face it, his surrounding cast probably had a lot to do with what he showed. The fact is we have many holes, starters and depth...If you look at the last 3 yrs, our backups have let us down in nearly every case. That's why we see Tunaland getting the Torbors, Andersons, Ryans, McCowns, etc...we need more than just starters, although we need quite a few of them as well...

Even if you feel we only need to fill 5 starting positions, that's 23% of the starters...And that assumes that we are satisfied with the other 77% of them...
 
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