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DON'T BE SURPRISED AT CULPEPPER'S NUMBERS

When Daunte Culpepper was traded to the Dolphins, lots of people started to think Miami finally found the replacement for Dan Marino. Why? Because he threw the ball up to Randy Moss for a few years and the receiver out-rebounded the double coverage? Look, Culpepper is a fine athlete, but maybe the Vikings knew there was too much work to be done in a short period of time and the second-round pick Miami offered was just too tempting. Culpepper is duplicating his 2005 production and some people who ignored what was on film to study, elected to say they are 'surprised' rather than study the video. If you are going to listen to NFL experts, find out if they are studying his films before they speak!
I believe Nick Saban will get the talented Culpepper straightened out in time to get the season going, but Culpepper is still just doing what he's been doing since Moss left for the Raiders. Check out these numbers if you don't believe Culpepper is still looking for Moss and unable to get the ball out of his hand. In 2005, his production was similar to 2006. Too bad that the perception was he'll deliver more at such an early stage in his development.
Here's a look at Culpepper's numbers in '05 and '06:

Year Games Attempts Completions TDs INTs Sacks Fumbles
2005 -- 7 ----- 216 ------- 139 ----- 6 -- 12 -- 31 ---- 5
2006 -- 2 ----- 69 --------- 41 ----- 1 --- 3 -- 10 ----- 2


In '05, Culpepper averaged 20 completions in 30 attempts. This year after two weeks, he's averaged 20 completions in 34 attempts. Last year, he averaged .08 TD pass per game. This year he's right on schedule at .05 TD per game. Now it gets even more eerie. Last year, he averaged 1.7 interceptions per game. In Miami, 1.5 picks per game. In 2005, he was sacked 4.4 times per game, with Miami he's gone down 5.0 per game. As a Viking, he fumbled just under one time per contest and right now the ball is on the ground one time per game. The next time you hear some so-called expert say he's 'surprised' about the start the Dolphins have had, question if he knows the history of Culpepper.

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Daunte Culpepper's struggles shouldn't be a surprise in taking a closer look at his numbers.

Oh, by the way, remember Gus Frerotte? He was the Dolphins QB last year and was perceived as not good enough to take the Dolphins to the championship. He was 1-1 after two games in 2005 with an offensive line that might not have been as good as the line Culpepper has right now. He also threw three TD passes to two interceptions. Culpepper is two touchdown passes behind him. Frerotte was sacked just two times, less than the 10 Culpepper has logged, but he did fumble three times to Culpepper's two.

Remember the six-game winning streak the Dolphins finished with last year? Frerotte was the QB the whole time and he connected on eight touchdown passes to just three interceptions during that stretch. The problem was the perception that Frerotte wasn't good enough. Someone once said Brad Johnson was done and he looks pretty good in Vikings uniform right now. A few years ago, if Gruden didn't take a chance on Rich Gannon, the Raiders would have never gone to the Super Bowl. The message is stop listening to guys who say they are surprised by the Dolphins right now and take a look at the facts that have led up to the situation.

Finally, for second-round compensation, I probably would have traded for Culpepper and be willing to work with the strong-armed QB. But I would not be shocked if it was going to take some time to repair a guy coming to my franchise off a serious injury with an 11-16 record and 84 sacks in his previous 27 games.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9675755
 
woulda coulda shoulda.... we should have some faith that Cpep is going to figure it out.... but then again .. i think that was a primary reason why we got Harrington... Joey has largely been said to be a good QB in a better system.. if Cpep continues... I can see a change.
 
diane said:
DON'T BE SURPRISED AT CULPEPPER'S NUMBERS

Oh, by the way, remember Gus Frerotte? He was the Dolphins QB last year and was perceived as not good enough to take the Dolphins to the championship. He was 1-1 after two games in 2005 with an offensive line that might not have been as good as the line Culpepper has right now. He also threw three TD passes to two interceptions. Culpepper is two touchdown passes behind him. Frerotte was sacked just two times, less than the 10 Culpepper has logged, but he did fumble three times to Culpepper's two.
Remember the six-game winning streak the Dolphins finished with last year? Frerotte was the QB the whole time and he connected on eight touchdown passes to just three interceptions during that stretch. The problem was the perception that Frerotte wasn't good enough.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9675755

no he wasn't...Sage won that Buffalo game.


haha he said perception....
 
Ok Tell Me How Are You Suppose To Be A Good Qb When You Got Sacked 31 Times In 7 Games Last Year. We Need To Strenghthen Out Line This Year So The Same Thing Wont Happen
 
Milkmoney21 said:
Ok Tell Me How Are You Suppose To Be A Good Qb When You Got Sacked 31 Times In 7 Games Last Year. We Need To Strenghthen Out Line This Year So The Same Thing Wont Happen

true, that and when rookie corners are jamming veteran recievers


also if moss is so godly and can make qbs look good how come he hasnt done it in oakland?
 
Milkmoney21 said:
Ok Tell Me How Are You Suppose To Be A Good Qb When You Got Sacked 31 Times In 7 Games Last Year. We Need To Strenghthen Out Line This Year So The Same Thing Wont Happen
Notice how when Brad Johnson took over last year he wasn't sacked so much? Brad still played the #2, #3, #4, #5, and #7 ranked defenses last year but was only sacked 23 times over 9 games. Why? Two step drops and three step drops. When you hold on to the ball too long you get sacked, and if you have small hands you fumble.
 
diane said:
Notice how when Brad Johnson took over last year he wasn't sacked so much? Brad still played the #2, #3, #4, #5, and #7 ranked defenses last year but was only sacked 23 times over 9 games. Why? Two step drops and three step drops. When you hold on to the ball too long you get sacked, and if you have small hands you fumble.

Didnt he lost to all those 5 defenses?
 
diane said:
Notice how when Brad Johnson took over last year he wasn't sacked so much? Brad still played the #2, #3, #4, #5, and #7 ranked defenses last year but was only sacked 23 times over 9 games. Why? Two step drops and three step drops. When you hold on to the ball too long you get sacked, and if you have small hands you fumble.
That proves nothing because there are other variables, besides C-Pepp, that did not remain constant.

When you try to prove something at least take into account the whole picture, until then, i'll just kick that soapbox from out under your feet.
 
FiN.in.RI said:
That proves nothing because there are other variables, besides C-Pepp, that did not remain constant.

When you try to prove something at least take into account the whole picture, until then, i'll just kick that soapbox from out under your feet.
What variables? Same O line, same receivers, same coaches. Brad Johnson even played every top-ten ranked defense Culpepper played (Chicago, Green Bay, and Carolina) except Tampa.

Except Brad had to play Pittsburgh (#4 ranked) and Baltimore (#5 ranked) instead of Tampa, towards the end of the season when they were hot (6 games before Pitt won the Superbowl.) Culpepper ended up with a 72.0 passer rating (3 point above this year's current rating) while Johnson ended up with an 88.9
 
diane said:
What variables? Same O line, same receivers, same coaches. Brad Johnson even played every top-ten ranked defense Culpepper played (Chicago, Green Bay, and Carolina) except Tampa.

Except Brad had to play Pittsburgh (#4 ranked) and Baltimore (#5 ranked) instead of Tampa, towards the end of the season when they were hot (6 games before Pitt won the Superbowl.) Culpepper ended up with a 72.0 passer rating (3 point above this year's current rating) while Johnson ended up with an 88.9

The Vikings only came together as a unit in the latter half of the season, particularly on the defensive side of the ball--something Brad Johnson had no control over.

Johnson is a good QB, but too many people forget that football is a team effort. The team got better.
 
Desides said:
The Vikings only came together as a unit in the latter half of the season, particularly on the defensive side of the ball--something Brad Johnson had no control over.

Johnson is a good QB, but too many people forget that football is a team effort. The team got better.

isnt it funny tho...cpepp gone and the team comes together....coincidence?
 
Desides said:
The Vikings only came together as a unit in the latter half of the season,
It's funny what two-step and three-step drops will do to lower the pressure on the O Line, now instead of blitzing every play they have to start defending the quick pass.

Desides said:
particularly on the defensive side of the ball--something Brad Johnson had no control over.
What does your defense's play have to do with your QB's passer rating? Even if the Viking defense started getting better, how does that justify one Viking QB throwing twice as many interceptions as touchdowns while the other throws three times as many touchdowns as interceptions?
 
"Finally, for second-round compensation, I probably would have traded for Culpepper and be willing to work with the strong-armed QB. But I would not be shocked if it was going to take some time to repair a guy coming to my franchise off a serious injury with an 11-16 record and 84 sacks in his previous 27 games. "

lets look at the passing stats too.

833 attempts 559 completions 67.1% completions 6793 yards 8.1 ypa 46 TDs 26 INTs 97.4 QB rating
 
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What a garbage article.

In 2004 Culpepper had the 5th best season ever by a QB in the NFL. That also happened to be the year Moss was hurt most of the season.

Culpepper completed 379 of 548 passes (69.2%) for 4,717 yards with 39 TDs and only 11 INTs. Of those 379 completions, only 49 were to Moss! Anyone who believes that Culpepper sat back there and just threw the ball up for grabs to Moss is a complete ignorant moron.

The guy missed most of the season last year with a career threatening injury and people are calling him a bust after 2 games. If this was one of the Manning golden boys the press would be talking about how amazing it is that he could just play.

The city of Miami was boasting on how much better of an environment they would be for Culpepper instead of the rednecks in Minnesota and yet they have proven to be no better. Can't wait for Culpepper to make a lot of people eat the garbage they are spilling.
 
Brsdd said:
In 2004 Culpepper had the 5th best season ever by a QB in the NFL. That also happened to be the year Moss was hurt most of the season.
Moss was only out 3 games.
 
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