Nfl Qb Position: Absolute Or Relative?

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  1. BlueFin

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    3 often mentioned are the 85’ Bears, 00’ Ravens and the 01’ Bucs... all three had very average QB’s...all three had one of the top 5 defenses ever.

    I’d say that’s extremely elite defenses.
     
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    7. 1972 Miami Dolphins
    [​IMG]The No-Name Defense led the league in points and yards allowed. This unit was the foundation of the only perfect season of the Super Bowl era.
     
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    6. 1962 Green Bay Packers
    [​IMG]Vince Lombardi’s greatest defense featured five eventual Hall of Famers and held opposing quarterbacks to a 43.5 passer rating. The 267-point differential (19.1 per game) between the Packers and their opponents is the best of any team of the 1960s.
     
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    5. 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    [​IMG]In addition to dominating opponents, the 2002 Buccaneers were always a threat to take interceptions to the house. They did so three times in their Super Bowl win over the Oakland Raiders.
     
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    4. 2013 Seattle Seahawks
    [​IMG]The Legion of Boom and the rest of the 2013 Seahawks defense led the league in points, yards and turnovers. And, of course, this defense completely shut down Peyton Manning — who was having the best season of his career — and Denver’s record-setting offense in Super Bowl XLVIII.
     
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    The Phins of that era were such an incredibly well balanced machine on O and D -- their teamwork was

    artistry -- so perfectly coordinated and seemingly of one mind. I miss that kind of football. I think it was real.
     
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    3. 1976 Pittsburgh Steelers
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    Facing an unbelievable number of injuries on offense, the 1976 Steel Curtain picked up the slack. The defense pitched five shutouts and at one point did not give up a touchdown for 22 straight quarters. If the team had not lost to Oakland in the AFC Championship Game, this defense may have topped the list.
     
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    2. 2000 Baltimore Ravens
    [​IMG]The 2000 Ravens may be the worst team offensively to ever win a Super Bowl. Why did they win? Because they allowed an average of 9.4 points in 16 regular season games and four playoff games.
     
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    1. 1985 Chicago Bears
    [​IMG]The success of this team is almost mythical. The ’85 Bears led the league in yards, points, first downs and turnovers en route to a 15-1 regular season. In the playoffs they shut out both the New York Giants and the Los Angeles Rams and did not allow a touchdown for 11 quarters. They finished things off with a 46-10 dismantling (123 total yards allowed, 7 sacks, 6 takeaways) of the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XX.
     
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    And they didn’t beat themselves... incredibly tough and smart team.
     
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    Hardest team to beat. Ever!
     
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    Yup, but I was responding to this > "Building a top 5 all-time defense? Or finding an elite level quarterback?'

    All fans have seen a top D in any particular year win SBs. Doesn't have to be top 5 ALL-TIME.
     
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    No.., we were talking about teams winning with marginal QB’s... and that normally requires an extraordinary defense... not just a good one that year... look back!

    And again... easier to land a franchise QB than build a great defense.
     
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    Now were're making progress. We've moved fro "top 5 all-time" to "a great defense."

    Let's try it this way. 2008 to 2017. I'm going to use the top 3 Ds for each year (and, yes, I know there are a number of ways to define "top 3)

    2008 - all 3 top Ds made the playoffs. One of those, PITT, won the SB
    2009 - all 3 top Ds made the playoffs. None got to the SB
    2010 - all 3 top Ds made the playoffs. One of those, GB, won the SB
    2011 - all 3 top Ds made the playoffs. None got to the SB
    2012 - 2 of the top 3 Ds made the playoffs. One of those, One, SF, made it to the SB
    2013 - all 3 top Ds made the playoffs. One of those, SEA, wone the SB
    2014 - 1 of the top 3 Ds made the playoffs. That team, SEA, made it to the SB
    2015 - all 3 top Ds made the playoffs. One of those, CAR, made it to the SB
    2016 - 2 of the top 2 Ds made the playoffs. One of those, NE, won the SB
    2017 - 2 of the top 2 Ds made the playoffs. None of those made it to the SB

    In 7 of those 10 years, one of the top 3 Ds made it to the SB. It is not reasonable to say all 7 were "extraordinary" over the course of NFL history. They were good THAT year (although most were good, not extraordinary, for a number of years).

    Now, back to an elite QB. Is it easier to have an elite QB than a top 3 D? I'd say no, but admit, it's debatable. BTW, in 6 of those 10 years, a non-elite QB won the SB. I'm not arguing elite QBs aren't important, nor am I arguing I wouldn't love Miami to have one. I'm responding to the poster who, again, emphasized an "all-time top 5" D, as if anything less than "all --time top 5" wasn't as important. I'm only pointing out a top 3 d for ANY random year has a high correlation to SB appearances.
     
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    I give you A+ for research!

    What an exemplary way to back up your opinion/statement with facts!

    Perhaps you have a legal background?

    That or a research analyst?

    Either way -- important information to consider

    before one makes "absolute claims/statements!"
     

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