Nfl Sophomores To Watch: Mike Gesicki, Miami Dolphins

Danny

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Gesicki is just another one on a long list of 2nd round picks where we just took the wrong guy.......it goes back a long way.
Phiilips
Martin
Jamar Taylor
Pat White
Daniel Thomas
Misi
Merling
John Beck
Math Roth

That's a lot of wasted 2nd round picks.
 

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We could but why not develop the guys confidence by doing what he does best and then work in the rest
It is possible to, simultaneously, do both.

I don't buy into the confidence thing as much as some others do.

It is a coaches job to effectively communicate the reasons for what they are doing. I want players that take constructive criticism for what it is, and work to mitigate any shortcomings. If a coach believes a player is physically unable to do something, they won't ask him to do it.

If a player is so fragile mentally, that he has to be coddled, it's best just to move on, or resign him to a lesser role.

I don't think that is the case here though. I believe fans will see a big improvement over last year.

Part of it will be in better coaching/teaching, but it will also be from Mike having pride in his craft, as well as a years worth of experience to draw upon.
 

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Curious as to why you think that.

His issues were not missed assignments or lack of strength, they were things that are unfixable. You cannot make someone more coordinated, agile, or fluid and those are areas he has the biggest problem with. He even look clumsy running the 40 at the combine.

I think people got enamored with those combine results and failed to look at basic movement skills. Great at testing, yet oddly nonathletic, at least concerning football movements.

Tannehill had the same issue, this idea that he was "super athletic" was false. Just watch how he ran and how he moved in the pocket and you can easily why he struggled with pocket movement.
Well I think there are a number of issues where we do not see eye to eye. I'm extremely busy this week so I'll be brief, but quickly:

1. His issues:
Disagree, his issues were an overwhelming playbook and learning it is common and almost universally suffered from rookie TE's in the NFL. His other issues were a new focus on the blocking aspects of the job, which were barely addressed at Penn State, and thinking and reacting rather than instinctively acting. The latter is extremely common as players take on the huge new knowledge of adjusting to the NFL as a TE, and almost every rookie TE goes through that. It is best addressed by comparing the 1st year of all TE's to their 5th years, by which times their production has truly blossomed.

2. Combine results:
Disagree. Look at his tape, you'll see a TE who is consistently pulling away from LB's who simply don't have the game-day play speed to keep up with him … that has nothing to do with being a workout warrior, that is 100% production and creating separation, which as we both know, is THE most important skill a pass catcher should possess. Only a precious few guys like Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin can succeed without creating separation, and they need uncanny precision and accuracy from their QB's to take advantage of that. For the other 99% of the NFL, the most important play ability a pass catcher can possess is the ability to create separation. We saw that consistently from Gesicki, regardless of whether the ball was thrown his way or not. His basic movement skills jump off the film as he creates separation at an elite level from LB's.

Against DB's, it is his length that creates separation. He is 6'6 with a long arms, big hands and a 41.5" vertical … so he has an upper zone and an away zone that are simply out of reach for DB's. This was limited by Tannehill's lack of ability to throw those bucket throws needed to take advantage of that in the red zone, but Gesicki displayed true mismatch size and ability to shield the defender from the ball. Every bit of those combine results showed up on tape, even if our OL didn't allow enough time to run deep seam routes and our QB wasn't good at making the bucket throws in the red zone. Let's not conflate the OL/QB issue with what we saw from Gesicki as a rookie. The only thing holding him back that was of his own making was his struggles to learn the system to where he could play instinctively rather than thinking and reacting. Gesicki looked every bit the part of a mismatch athletically both size wise and speed wise. He isn't a blocking body type aside from his length, and he isn't a short choppy strider with elite change of direction or an elite first step … but he is fast, with a top gear that is excellent, and he is big with elite length and catch zone.

Lastly, when you do a comparison of rookie TE's, please do one for the last 10 or 20 years. By all means go back to the elite TE class that included Rob Gronkowski (also far less productive as a rookie than a veteran) and Jimmy Graham (used as a WR and chronicled many places where Brees, Payton & Co. just had to play sandlot ball with him because he couldn't learn the playbook fast enough). See how many TE's do fantastically. But I urge you to also use equivalent metrics … look at how the 2018 Miami Dolphins offense produced, both with and without Gesicki. You'll see that the surrounding cast was not good, and Gesicki's numbers were muted because the entire offense wasn't very good, not just Gesicki.

Love to discuss this further, but it'll probably have to wait a week before I can get any more time to discuss it. Hope that gets my points across. Reasonable minds may differ, but I always enjoy your insight @FSU Truth and I look forward to revisiting this throughout the 2019 season.
 

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Mike Gesicki number last yr was about same as other TE draft last yr. he cant block but he can catch football. he should be better in yr 2.
 

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Gesicki is just another one on a long list of 2nd round picks where we just took the wrong guy.......it goes back a long way.
Phiilips
Martin
Jamar Taylor
Pat White
Daniel Thomas
Misi
Merling
John Beck
Math Roth

That's a lot of wasted 2nd round picks.
Forgot phillip merling...basically was a first rd pick cause that's the yr Pat's forfeited their 32nd choice.

EDIT: didn't see you listed him...but point still remains
 

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Gesicki improving can only do good things for the team, but i think the 2nd year player to watch is Ballage. If O'shea runs anything similar to NE he's going to be a redzone TD machine this year i.e. Blount, Green-Ellis, etc.
 

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Gesicki is just another one on a long list of 2nd round picks where we just took the wrong guy.......it goes back a long way.
Phiilips
Martin
Jamar Taylor
Pat White
Daniel Thomas
Misi
Merling
John Beck
Math Roth

That's a lot of wasted 2nd round picks.
Well you've spoken so I guess we should just cut the guy now and save ourselves from the inevitable!
 

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Or we can try and develop him into a all around TE
I don’t believe that can happen with this particular player based on what I would catergorize as fatal flaws, I think the better route would be to isolate him as a big receiver and scheme him like that to accentuate the size and strengths he does have..
 

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Curious as to why you think that.

His issues were not missed assignments or lack of strength, they were things that are unfixable. You cannot make someone more coordinated, agile, or fluid and those are areas he has the biggest problem with. He even look clumsy running the 40 at the combine.

I think people got enamored with those combine results and failed to look at basic movement skills. Great at testing, yet oddly nonathletic, at least concerning football movements.

Tannehill had the same issue, this idea that he was "super athletic" was false. Just watch how he ran and how he moved in the pocket and you can easily why he struggled with pocket movement.
Concise and very accurate imo.
 

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Well you've spoken so I guess we should just cut the guy now and save ourselves from the inevitable!
I never said we should cut him. But the right guy to draft was Goedert and I'm on record saying that two months before the draft. I'm not the only one that wanted Goedert here either. I'm hoping we can get something out of him but imo he was the wrong pick for all the wrong reasons.
 

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I never said we should cut him. But the right guy to draft was Goedert and I'm on record saying that two months before the draft. I'm not the only one that wanted Goedert here either. I'm hoping we can get something out of him but imo he was the wrong pick for all the wrong reasons.
Well, you may be right, though I have higher hopes.

I'm not sure what good it does to revisit the past though. We didn't draft Goedert. We drafted MG. Why focus on what happened 13 months ago, that can't be changed?
 
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