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NFLPA to investigate Tua's return from concussion protocol

True, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, the testing doesn't include an actual scan of you brain. And some of the concussion damge a brain suffers isn't truely discovered until an autopsy is performed after death. The way Dr. Omalu makes it sound, the tests that NFL gives look for obviousy signs of extreme damage, but the lack of those signs should not be confused with thinking there's no damage there. As he stated in his interview, in the end it's up to the player to have enough information on the possibility of concussions and to do what's in his or her best health interest. He was saying Tua should have said "I'm not going back in." I personally understand what the doctor is is saying, but it's also clear that he's never played football, boxed or took part in any sport with a ton of contact. It's hard, if not impossible to get a player to take himself out of a game due to something like Tua had on Sunday. Where I struggle with the whole debate the most is in term of how I would want to handle the situation if it involved my son or daughter. If you have a child who bangs their head and some people somewhere are questioning brain damage, but the doctor on site says he thinks they're good to go, would I want them back in the game or take them out to ere on tha side of caution?
The brain damage issue is a really big one.

Tho my guess is that the players that have been destroyed by it like Jr Seau suffered A LOT of head trauma before the NFL and the world took the head injury stuff seriously.

Now the NFL has the rubber band effect when it comes to head injury protocol…

It’s a good thing but if we are honest and want to protect these athletes the NFL as it is now would be over.

Milanos hit was a love tap. The brain is like a grape fruit in fluid - the brain hitting the skull causes the bruising so helmets are necessary but insufficient. We don’t have a way to prevent this kind of trauma to the brain…

The whole thing is an illusion bc - does the NFL really care?
 
The brain damage issue is a really big one.

Tho my guess is that the players that have been destroyed by it like Jr Seau suffered A LOT of head trauma before the NFL and the world took the head injury stuff seriously.

Now the NFL has the rubber band effect when it comes to head injury protocol…

It’s a good thing but if we are honest and want to protect these athletes the NFL as it is now would be over.

Milanos hit was a love tap. The brain is like a grape fruit in fluid - the brain hitting the skull causes the bruising so helmets are necessary but insufficient. We don’t have a way to prevent this kind of trauma to the brain…

The whole thing is an illusion bc - does the NFL really care?
They care just enough to be able to reduce their liability and not too much to avoid it drasticly changing the game and impacting their revenue stream.

It won't matter for long, soon all sports will take place in the mettaverse, where players wil have simulated bodies. Think of it as an ultra advanced Madden game where each player is controlled by a user and the graphins are so sharp viewers can't tell they're watching a 3-d holograph running down the field and not a real person.
 
They care just enough to be able to reduce their liability and not too much to avoid it drasticly changing the game and impacting their revenue stream.

It won't matter for long, soon all sports will take place in the mettaverse, where players wil have simulated bodies. Think of it as an ultra advanced Madden game where each player is controlled by a user and the graphins are so sharp viewers can't tell they're watching a 3-d holograph running down the field and not a real person.
Probably you are right about all of the above.

The virtual thing will make it so slow older guys like me can play and it will be a cerebral simulation thing…

That will be better…

More fun too and less sitting around drinking which sports promotes a lot of….
 
That would be nice but most of us will settle for a playoff berth. It's still a long haul.
yeah, nice thing about that, is just getting to the playoffs opens up the game to go all the way. Get hot at the right time and have talent, never know. Many didn't expect Bengals to go all the way to the superbowl, but they did. Nobody thought the 2007 Giants would go to superbowl let alone beat undefeated patriots but they did
 
yeah, nice thing about that, is just getting to the playoffs opens up the game to go all the way. Get hot at the right time and have talent, never know. Many didn't expect Bengals to go all the way to the superbowl, but they did. Nobody thought the 2007 Giants would go to superbowl let alone beat undefeated patriots but they did
Tru Dat
 
They care just enough to be able to reduce their liability and not too much to avoid it drasticly changing the game and impacting their revenue stream.

It won't matter for long, soon all sports will take place in the mettaverse, where players wil have simulated bodies. Think of it as an ultra advanced Madden game where each player is controlled by a user and the graphins are so sharp viewers can't tell they're watching a 3-d holograph running down the field and not a real person.
Bro, how much did you smoke. Lol
 
I find some of the responses in this thread pretty disheartening tbh.

It's not in teams or players' interest to retire from the field with a concussion. I'd have thought that was pretty obvious. For every player who puts his brain health absolutely paramount, there are a number of guys who want to get back in the game, who worry about how the team would view them if they pull out, who don't want concussions to damage their contract value.

So, just like the ref in a boxing match has to tell a fighter he can't continue even when he wants to, somebody external has to tell a NFL player he can't go back on the field.

Unfortunately in the NFL, the guy who makes that call is the Designated Team Physician, not the independent Neuro counsel, who performs the tests with various team personnel present.

You can see the opportunity for bias.

I'm sure the protocol was followed. But the protocol itself is a pretty wishy-washy business, partly as it's designed that way and partly because concussion is v hard to detect medically. It can be easily cheated/manipulated by the player and - fundamentally - at the end the team doctor decides.

If people still believe Tua had a bad back which miraculously cleared up to let him back in unhindered, then fine. If people want to support their team and QB to the point that they just want him on the field regardless and they believe whatever argument supports that happening, then fine.

But please don't question the bona fides of those of us who are concerned about brain injury in contact sports like Am Football and pro rugby. If it's not handled properly, then lawsuits and protective parents will ensure these sports just die out.
 
Bills fans before the game: “Tua sucks, Tua sucks!” Bills fans during and after the game: “It’s unfair Tua was let back into the game”. Hey you losers, if Tua sucks so bad, you should have been happy that he was allowed back in.
You notice in every media, they talk about Tua's proposed concussion but not one person mention the dirty late hit by the bills guy. That's 2 yrs in a row a Bills player wanted to hurt Tua.
 
I always assumed the neuro doctor had the ultimate authority but it turns out that is left up to the team physician. That is total conflict of interest. This is definitely something that needs to be address. Going by my previous assumption I thought sine the doctor and physician agreed Tua definitely did not have a concussion. This makes me second guess everything. We all know 95 percent of the players want to go back in even if they will have long term damage and some coaches just want to win, health be damned. I hope none of this is the case but you know it has happened before throughout the league.


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I mean the neurospecialist might not have authority, but ignoring their recommendations is more than likely going to play a factor in any kind of investigation. The NFL has changed a lot over the years and I really hope team doctors would not risk the long term health of players over a single game.
 
I mean the neurospecialist might not have authority, but ignoring their recommendations is more than likely going to play a factor in any kind of investigation. The NFL has changed a lot over the years and I really hope team doctors would not risk the long term health of players over a single game.

absolutely and McDaniel also doesn't strike me as the type of coach who would pressure the doctors in questionable diagnoses, just to have a player back for one half.
 
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After a player has progressed through the five-step process, and is cleared for full participation by his club physician, he must be seen and separately cleared by an Independent Neurological Consultant (INC), jointly approved by the NFL and NFLPA, who is not affiliated with any NFL club. Until cleared by this independent physician, a player may not return to contact practice or play in an NFL game.

This article is from 2015 there is a new policy now. See above.

 
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