NFLRA & NFL close to deal, refs could be on field as early as this weekend

[Hayden Fox]

Yep, that is my take also. Several calls in Jet game went our way.
Eventually the odds will turn and we'll get a bad call against us though.

I will never forgive Gene Steratore.

I always thought Bob Kraft got away with things whenever we played the Pats. We never got any calls vs. the Pats.

 

[JCane]

Every plan is different at every airline, they are specific to the cba, and labor group. The company contributes and you can match at my airline that is for both 401k and defined pension plan.

So you do have to contribute to the pension then.

I'm not saying that what the officials do doesn't take a lot of hard work and preparation. It's a thankless job as well. Not once has a game been played and the officials been commended by either fan base for a job well done. It's not easy to be an official. However, the guys who are holding out right now are NOT the only guys in the world who can do that job. Others can learn and hone their skills to become an official. It's certainly possible. Right now these replacement officials are in over their head. It would be like you flying a remote controlled model airplane and then being asked to land an actual 747 lol. You need some tune up time.

A pension for these guys is just plan crazy. I wouldn't be so opposed to the pension idea if they had to contribute to the pension but they're just strong arming the NFL. And I can't say I blame them. I've always said that one man is only worth what another man is willing to pay for him. So if the NFL is willing to give them everything they ask for, then obviously the NFL feels that these guys are worth it. Personally, I wouldn't give it to them pero the negotiating tactics of the officials is on point.

 

[SCOTTY]

Delta Airlines, Alaska Airlines, United Airlines, American Airlines(for now) all offer several defined pension plans, and I'm sure you would consider our schedule part time because I average 15.5 days off in a normal month and in a vacation week run into a month off.

Aren't these gaurenteed pensions bankrupting the Airlines, the car companies, state governments. Paying people a salary every year even after they retire. Never understood that one...

 

[Vertical Limit]

Honestly I feel bad for the replacement referees. It must be embarrassing to come home to your family knowing so many people just straight up hate what you're doing. It's really not their fault, they shouldn't be here to begin with if the NFL just paid up.

 

[JCane]

Aren't these gaurenteed pensions bankrupting the Airlines, the car companies, state governments. Paying people a salary every year even after they retire. Never understood that one...

Yeap lol. Noticed Southwest wasn't on that list.

BAGS FLY FREE!

 

[jared81]

Delta Airlines, Alaska Airlines, United Airlines, American Airlines(for now) all offer several defined pension plans, and I'm sure you would consider our schedule part time because I average 15.5 days off in a normal month and in a vacation week run into a month off.

um yea. because the airlines are a model for financial stability. saying "the airlines do it" is exactly why the nfl shouldnt fall for this scheme.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Aren't these gaurenteed pensions bankrupting the Airlines, the car companies, state governments. Paying people a salary every year even after they retire. Never understood that one...

It's not the sole reason, but it's a huge part of the problem. As life expectancy increases across the board, then the amount of money required to fund pensions for retired employees increases at a staggering rate. You can't simply push back the retirement age because the employee unions will revolt -- never mind that having an aged workforce presents its own problems -- and having to fund burgeoning pensions means that you need to cut costs elsewhere. Typically, the first place those costs are cut is from the pockets of the employees who aren't yet collecting benefits.

Unions have their place, but there is a reason that the most heavily unionized industries in America are also the ones suffering the most during hard economic times. They simply can't compete on cost due to obligations that came about because management decided not to play hardball with an employee union twenty, thirty, or even fifty years ago.

People love to **** on 'management' as the root of all problems, but the simple fact is that when GM collapsed in 2008, the average fixed cost per car produced was about $2,000.00 higher than it was for Toyota and Nissan, and if you bother to examine the cost breakdown, well, let's just say the UAW has been damn successful at the negotiating table.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The problem is the new generation of management that is driven by their bonuses have a mentality to fight their employee groups and paint them as villains in the process

That's exactly correct, and as succinct as I've seen it stated. The anti-union push has been not only emboldened by applauded in recent years. That encourages ownership to apply the squeeze and then tighten it again and again, even if their business specifics or bottom line don't remotely compare to elsewhere. We've already seen that laughably attempted in this thread. SAMs are still eager to blame government for a broken fingernail while ignoring exploding corporate arrogance and greed. I wish I could share some of the examples I've witnessed in Las Vegas.

Heck, there's an example in suburban Miami. The Bacardi corporation purchased Calusa golf course in Kendall six or seven years ago. They attempted to turn it into a private course, and erect a huge wall blocking the view of adjacent homeowners. That plan failed as the economy slowed. Bacardi then ran Calusa into the ground. Intentionally. They operated the course out of a trailer and with a trailer, and later outhouses, as the sole bathrooms. The greens were destroyed, literally unplayable. The worst greenskeeper on the planet couldn't be that bad. Chemicals would produce massive barren spots. Then we'd hear they used the wrong chemical. Sure, that happens all the time from a specialist. It served exactly the purpose that Bacardi wanted it to serve, to run the regular golfers off the course. Parking lot all but vacant, day after day. Then Bacardi whined they couldn't make any money and closed the course in March 2011. Maybe they should sell their rum out of paper cups lined with mud and see how well they fare? That would be the equivalent. One minor problem for Bacardi, there's a 99 year covenant protecting that land as a golf course. It's not yet at the half way mark of the covenant. Bacardi knew all about that covenant. They didn't care in the slightest, about impact on the homeowners or anyone in the area who used the course for recreation. It's very familiar corporate tactics these days. I saw similar in Las Vegas from Billy Walters, purchasing golf course property then manipulating the Clark County Commission to get rid of restrictions on use of the land. In Calusa's case, with a huge winding property, it's estimated the land is worth $3 million as a golf course and $100 million if unrestricted. Bacardi closed the course in early 2011 and offered insulting $50,000 bribes to the 148 adjacent homeowners to sign a waiver on the covenant. They needed 75% signatures to free up the land. Not surprisingly, Bacardi was 100% self concerned. They offered the $50,000 to ONLY the first 75% who signed. Hilarious. Corporate greed at its finest. We'll wrangle the minimum we need then comfortably ignore everybody else. But along the line we'll claim the homeowners are our utmost concern. Sometimes you can't make this stuff up. Bottom line, the homeowners didn't cave. Expensive homes along that route. Not gullible suckers. Nice handicapping, Bacardi. Covenant was upheld, despite Bacardi's expensive hired gun lawyers. And it only gets better. Bacardi has given up on persuading the homeowners and is now SUING them. That's right, since you didn't bow down to our corporate desperation for that $100 million, cave in to our bribe, and swallow our talking points, we're now suing each and every one of you.

Sorry for the post. It may not fit in this forum so I intentionally cramped it into on one paragraph. The fact that so many ignoramuses coddle corporations and look the other way regardless of what they do is the most disgusting aspect of society right now, IMO.

Back to the refs, I'm not sure if it's irony or karma that the state that's been the focal point of the recent anti-union push had its cherished professional sports team screwed by scab labor.

 

[WVDolphan]

That's exactly correct, and as succinct as I've seen it stated. The anti-union push has been not only emboldened by applauded in recent years. That encourages ownership to apply the squeeze and then tighten it again and again, even if their business specifics or bottom line don't remotely compare to elsewhere. We've already seen that laughably attempted in this thread. SAMs are still eager to blame government for a broken fingernail while ignoring exploding corporate arrogance and greed. I wish I could share some of the examples I've witnessed in Las Vegas.

Heck, there's an example in suburban Miami. The Bacardi corporation purchased Calusa golf course in Kendall six or seven years ago. They attempted to turn it into a private course, and erect a huge wall blocking the view of adjacent homeowners. That plan failed as the economy slowed. Bacardi then ran Calusa into the ground. Intentionally. They operated the course out of a trailer and with a trailer, and later outhouses, as the sole bathrooms. The greens were destroyed, literally unplayable. The worst greenskeeper on the planet couldn't be that bad. Chemicals would produce massive barren spots. Then we'd hear they used the wrong chemical. Sure, that happens all the time from a specialist. It served exactly the purpose that Bacardi wanted it to serve, to run the regular golfers off the course. Parking lot all but vacant, day after day. Then Bacardi whined they couldn't make any money and closed the course in March 2011. Maybe they should sell their rum out of paper cups lined with mud and see how well they fare? That would be the equivalent. One minor problem for Bacardi, there's a 99 year covenant protecting that land as a golf course. It's not yet at the half way mark of the covenant. Bacardi knew all about that covenant. They didn't care in the slightest, about impact on the homeowners or anyone in the area who used the course for recreation. It's very familiar corporate tactics these days. I saw similar in Las Vegas from Billy Walters, purchasing golf course property then manipulating the Clark County Commission to get rid of restrictions on use of the land. In Calusa's case, with a huge winding property, it's estimated the land is worth $3 million as a golf course and $100 million if unrestricted. Bacardi closed the course in early 2011 and offered insulting $50,000 bribes to the 148 adjacent homeowners to sign a waiver on the covenant. They needed 75% signatures to free up the land. Not surprisingly, Bacardi was 100% self concerned. They offered the $50,000 to ONLY the first 75% who signed. Hilarious. Corporate greed at its finest. We'll wrangle the minimum we need then comfortably ignore everybody else. But along the line we'll claim the homeowners are our utmost concern. Sometimes you can't make this stuff up. Bottom line, the homeowners didn't cave. Expensive homes along that route. Not gullible suckers. Nice handicapping, Bacardi. Covenant was upheld, despite Bacardi's expensive hired gun lawyers. And it only gets better. Bacardi has given up on persuading the homeowners and is now SUING them. That's right, since you didn't bow down to our corporate desperation for that $100 million, cave in to our bribe, and swallow our talking points, we're now suing each and every one of you.

Sorry for the post. It may not fit in this forum so I intentionally cramped it into on one paragraph. The fact that so many ignoramuses coddle corporations and look the other way regardless of what they do is the most disgusting aspect of society right now, IMO.

Back to the refs, I'm not sure if it's irony or karma that the state that's been the focal point of the recent anti-union push had its cherished professional sports team screwed by scab labor.

Awsi FTMFW AGAIN!!!!