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I'm not starting this thread to bash Culpepper instead I just want to bring out an interesting stat. I have watched cpep throughout his career and never really liked him. When we chose him over brees I was extremely upset but remained optimistic. Not too say that people on this board dont know football but I sometimes think that when it comes to teams other than the Dolphins many of the finheaveners are clueless. When we first signed daunte everyone said probowl for sure and that he would have 30 touchdowns and other ridiculous comments and these people have probably never seen him play....
So the one thing that sticks out in my mind about cpep over his career is the fumbles. After doing some research i found these stats

Daunte Culpepper

85 games played 84 fumbles


Now only 37 of them were lost and cpep often recovers his own fumbles but those arent the kind of stats I want from my qb. Turnovers are more important to me than anything as far as winning games. With our defense we dont need a qb to do everything we just need one that doesnt throw picks or fumble. I remember hearing analysits always talking about how daunte has small hands and thats why he fumbles.... well small hands or not thats no excuse. How many games will Daunte cost us next year(if he ever plays) by his turnovers??
 

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Even before he was drafted by the Vkies, there was concern about fumbles because of his small hands.
 

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yea I'm just worried that in a must win game that culpepper will fumble the snap or something like that and then bye bye playoffs.... just a scenario but could be true.... how many of you dolfans would still like cpep after that, even worse what if it happened in the superbowl and he single handedly cost us the game
 

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Wow, flashback to 6 months ago. This was discussed ad nauseam. BTW, since Cpep has thrown for 30+ tds in 2 of the 5 seasons in which he has played in at least 11 games (2 of the 3 seasons in which hes played in all 16), wouldn't it be logical for the people that have seen him play to say he'll throw for 30 tds?
 

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All I know is it's going to be a really nervous start going into next season, having little if any questions answered this year we seem no better off than last. If things stay the same Culpepper starting, Mularkey Coordinating and Chambers dropping everything well...

I really hope some big changes are made this offseason, so we dont have to do this all over again.
 

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Turnovers are more important to me than anything as far as winning games.

And put together, his turnovers (which would entail fumbles LOST, and interceptions), he has a career turnover percentage of 3.56%...nearly identical with Brett Favre's career turnover percentage of 3.53%.
 

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How can you say this isn't a bash Culpepper thread? Amazing.

becuz i'm not speaking my honest opinion on him(you all dont want to hear it) just trying to show something. To the person who said this is an old post... sorry i feel better now at least knowing this was brought up before. I just dont understand how anyone can think this guy is the future, throw in his int's and this guy TURNS THE BALL OVER 2 TIMES A GAME... just scary
 

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All I know is it's going to be a really nervous start going into next season, having little if any questions answered this year we seem no better off than last. If things stay the same Culpepper starting, Mularkey Coordinating and Chambers dropping everything well...

I really hope some big changes are made this offseason, so we dont have to do this all over again.
Yep, Blue, I'm starting to lean towards the whole let's-blow-up-the-entire-offense philosophy at this point. New OC, all new QBs (except for Cleo Lemon at #2, good zip on his stuff), trade Chambers (if we even can at this point), sign Porter after Oakland releases him, bring in a free agent LB and a CB, trade the extra bodies on the d-line for extra midrounders, then go into the draft gunning for at least one QB for the future.

If the team is sold and Saban leaves, get Capers to stay on (assistant head coach?) and hire an offensive guru to take over that QBs Coach Jason Garrett (a keeper) can learn from. I like Ken Whisenhunt or Cam Cameron.

Just no West Coast Offense, please - and that includes Jeff Garcia (feel-good story for the Eagles certainly, but no thanks!). If Matt Schaub falls into that classification, pass him over as well.
 

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And put together, his turnovers (which would entail fumbles LOST, and interceptions), he has a career turnover percentage of 3.56%...nearly identical with Brett Favre's career turnover percentage of 3.53%.

yea fumbles that arent lost arent turnovers.. cool. But it doesnt matter to me whether the fumble is lost or not a fumble is a fumble. So we shouldnt care if daunte fumbles the ball 2 times in a game because lets say ronnie scooped it up both time... thats b.s. You guys can think what you want but the fact is that culpepper always turns the ball over which is why he will never win a superbowl. but i dont care cuz i dont think he will be starting for us next year.. i dont know who will (hopefully brohm)
 

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yea fumbles that arent lost arent turnovers.. cool. But it doesnt matter to me whether the fumble is lost or not a fumble is a fumble. So we shouldnt care if daunte fumbles the ball 2 times in a game because lets say ronnie scooped it up both time... thats b.s. You guys can think what you want but the fact is that culpepper always turns the ball over which is why he will never win a superbowl. but i dont care cuz i dont think he will be starting for us next year.. i dont know who will (hopefully brohm)


but even if you add those fumbles not lost as incomplete passes, because basically they can both be considered as a loss of down, hes still got a better completion percentage than most of the qbs in the nfl
 

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becuz i'm not speaking my honest opinion on him(you all dont want to hear it) just trying to show something. To the person who said this is an old post... sorry i feel better now at least knowing this was brought up before. I just dont understand how anyone can think this guy is the future, throw in his int's and this guy TURNS THE BALL OVER 2 TIMES A GAME... just scary

Well you are right about one thing. :lol:
 

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yea fumbles that arent lost arent turnovers.. cool. But it doesnt matter to me whether the fumble is lost or not a fumble is a fumble. So we shouldnt care if daunte fumbles the ball 2 times in a game because lets say ronnie scooped it up both time... thats b.s. You guys can think what you want but the fact is that culpepper always turns the ball over which is why he will never win a superbowl. but i dont care cuz i dont think he will be starting for us next year.. i dont know who will (hopefully brohm)

What does that statement even mean? Daunte Culpepper recovers the majority of his fumbles that don't end up in the defense's hands.

3.56% turnover ratio for Daunte, 3.53% turnover ratio for Brett Favre.

Favre has fumbled 138 times in his career, lost them 61 times. He loses a fumble once every four games. Daunte loses a fumble once every three games. Favre throws more interceptions than Daunte, and doesn't do as much damage on the ground using his feet as Daunte does.

If you had a point, I'd give it to you...but the turnover thing has been talked about and talked about, and Daunte's turnover ratio is comparable with guys like Brett Favre and Carson Palmer so, I don't see a big deal there. It is what it is.
 

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Had he not been injured there is a good chance that he would have thrown for 30 TDs. That is really nothing for a QB of his calibre even with the fins. As far as fumbles go, I think that his fumbling issue is definately a problem. It has been his entire career, but I would not be disappointed if he took us to the playoffs and lost a playoff game because of ints or fumbles, because it would have been on his shoulders that we would have made it to the playoffs in the first place. I would take his fumbles, ints, and limp just to have him out there doing what he does which is racking up TDs and yardage and winning football games. Cpep is not perfect, and he will make mistakes. All QBs including the manning twins :) and Brady lose games for their teams over the course of the season. The key is that they dont do it very often, and they win alot more games for the team than they lose.
 
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