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Nick Saban; great coach or great manager?

vinivedivichi

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When Saban was first brought on as our head coach I was enamored with the possibility of another Bill Belichick. I will admit that I didn't really follow LSU that closely, but I knew that he had success there and at previous stops, and that he was an assistant in the NFL under Belichick. The general consensus amongst fin fans, I think it's safe to say, was that we were getting an X's and O's guy that would outcoach any opposing head coach.

After one year I don't think coaching (as in X's and O's) is Saban's best asset. Saban's greatest asset, at least the most visble one thus far, is his management of the team in general. When I say management I don't necessarily mean "GM" like in NFL terms, I mean it in more broad terms like a manager in a corporation. In many ways Saban has retooled the whole organization to function in a way that he sees will help us gain long term success.

The key to being a good manager IMO is making sound decisions based on a logical thought process. I think if you look back at his first year you'll see that every time a potential adverse situation came up, Saban handled it perfectly. Here's a few major decisions he made off the top of my head-

1). The decisison to not totally dismantle the team and start from scratch. After Wanny's last year many thought Saban should trade everyone and basically sacrifice a couple of years so that down the road we would be in better shape. So far, Saban has shown that he can reload while not totally sacrificing the present.

2). Not getting caught up in any of the 500,000 potential QB controversies. From the Gus vs. Feeley debate all the way to the give Lemon a shot at the end debate, Saban has had to listen to the fans and the media try to tell him who should be his quarterback. Instead of getting caught up in the moment and benching Frerotte after the third week or starting Rosenfels after 1 good quarter, Saban obviously stood by his early belief that Frerotte gave the team its best chance to win. Although some may still even disagree, it's hard to dispute that Saban made the right decision by sticking with Gus all year.

3) Bringing Ricky back. How many pundits crucified Saban for giving Ricky another chance? Wasn't that decision supposed to divide our locker room?

4) His general team vision. I love the fact that Saban has a very specific vision for the team and is step-by-step getting us closer to that vision. Whether its bringing in Carter and Holliday for leadership, or forcing overpaid veterans to restructure, or trading guys that may not fit into the long term plan, it's clear that the team is being molded to fit Saban's plan.

Those are just a few examples off the top of my head that show how important Saban's management of the team has been thus far. I am in no way disappointed with his X's and O's coaching (it's unclear still to me how involved he actually is on each side of the ball), but I am very pleased with his management of the team up to this point. I love the fact that we have somebody in charge that is basically impossible to second guess right now based on his history. From the draft to the handling of the media to the player management this guy has handled everything perfectly so far. It's hard for me to know the impact he has made in a strict coaching sense, but as far as managing the team he has been nothing short of perfect up to this point.
 
vinivedivichi said:
When Saban was first brought on as our head coach I was enamored with the possibility of another Bill Belichick. I will admit that I didn't really follow LSU that closely, but I knew that he had success there and at previous stops, and that he was an assistant in the NFL under Belichick. The general consensus amongst fin fans, I think it's safe to say, was that we were getting an X's and O's guy that would outcoach any opposing head coach.

After one year I don't think coaching (as in X's and O's) is Saban's best asset. Saban's greatest asset, at least the most visble one thus far, is his management of the team in general. When I say management I don't necessarily mean "GM" like in NFL terms, I mean it in more broad terms like a manager in a corporation. In many ways Saban has retooled the whole organization to function in a way that he sees will help us gain long term success.

The key to being a good manager IMO is making sound decisions based on a logical thought process. I think if you look back at his first year you'll see that every time a potential adverse situation came up, Saban handled it perfectly. Here's a few major decisions he made off the top of my head-

1). The decisison to not totally dismantle the team and start from scratch. After Wanny's last year many thought Saban should trade everyone and basically sacrifice a couple of years so that down the road we would be in better shape. So far, Saban has shown that he can reload while not totally sacrificing the present.

2). Not getting caught up in any of the 500,000 potential QB controversies. From the Gus vs. Feeley debate all the way to the give Lemon a shot at the end debate, Saban has had to listen to the fans and the media try to tell him who should be his quarterback. Instead of getting caught up in the moment and benching Frerotte after the third week or starting Rosenfels after 1 good quarter, Saban obviously stood by his early belief that Frerotte gave the team its best chance to win. Although some may still even disagree, it's hard to dispute that Saban made the wrong decision by sticking with Gus all year.

3) Bringing Ricky back. How many pundits crucified Saban for giving Ricky another chance? Wasn't that decision supposed to divide our locker room?

4) His general team vision. I love the fact that Saban has a very specific vision for the team and is step-by-step getting us closer to that vision. Whether its bringing in Carter and Holliday for leadership, or forcing overpaid veterans to restructure, or trading guys that may not fit into the long term plan, it's clear that the team is being molded to fit Saban's plan.

Those are just a few examples off the top of my head that show how important Saban's management of the team has been thus far. I am in no way disappointed with his X's and O's coaching (it's unclear still to me how involved he actually is on each side of the ball), but I am very pleased with his management of the team up to this point. I love the fact that we have somebody in charge that is basically impossible to second guess right now based on his history. From the draft to the handling of the media to the player management this guy has handled everything perfectly so far. It's hard for me to know the impact he has made in a strict coaching sense, but as far as managing the team he has been nothing short of perfect up to this point.



I agree with you a hundred percent man! This is the most excited I have ever been about a coach and the man running 1 of my favourite teams for any sport.
 
Definately was more excited about saban the I was about Johnson, I was actually pissed when we hired Johnson and many people were like I can't believe u don't like the hiring. I never liked Jimmy's style of coaching and he has way too much ego.
 
That's the thing about Saban, he has no holes in his game. I think he is both a great xs and os guy and a great manager.

BTW that was a great point about how he has a logical way of analyzing things. The current example is the RW's thing. He logically is keeping the door open on trading him. He may or may not do it depending on what is offerred but he's obviously not among those who believe that RW is too valuable to trade or that it's impossible that we'll receive enough to justify it.
 
I think the thing that separates Saban from the rest of the pack is his skill in all aspects of coaching. He, even though he has restricted the media from most of his football operations, has shows that he is perfectly capable of dealing with the media. He has shown a good eye for talent at a bargin price, has shown the ability to get the most out of our stars, and has also shown the ability to X and O the game with the best of them.

Hopefully the trend continues and we have the best coach in the nfl on his hand :).
 
I agree with everything you've stated. But I definitly think Saban's biggest contribution to the game of football is the way he deals with his players.

He has an amazing way of convincing his players that they are worth something. Getting inside their head, showing them they can win and will win, and carrying the team to their goal. He has experience in sports psychology, and he uses it constantly.

Every player has a certain way to get motivated. If its by making someone cry during preseason, calling a great receiver "Decent" or simply telling his QB "your my guy", Saban can motivate this team and get them to win.
 
Actually I think he's a very good X's and O's coach as well. He's a complete coach...
 
i think we will start to see alot more of the X,s and O's on defense next season, with the core players having a full year and 2 camps under there belt, and saban being able to inject more of "his" players into this defense, it will allow him to use more exotic with his coverages and blitz packages
 
Jaj said:
Actually I think he's a very good X's and O's coach as well. He's a complete coach...

I agree, the thread title is sort of misleading. My point is that I expected an X's and O's guy, but it seems like we got the whole package.
 
That raises some very interesting points.

To me one thing that stands out with Saban is his communication skills. You talk about someone with a psych degree and you immediately know that from a personal standpoint saban has analyzed the best way to get through to each individual on that team.

Point 2 you raised is what any coach worth his salt does; ignore the press and fanbase when it comes to qb controversies. To the fans anyone who isnt playing qb and looks like an answer hence why people always say the fans favorite qb is always the backup or whatever it is they say.

As far as the corporation theory there an analogy i can draw especially with regards to the D:
- Each player learns a technique and positioning. In that respect its kind of like a worker learning how to assemble his product.

You talk about how he brought RW back and what it all comes down to is RW's willingness to blend in and step away from teh spotlight and saban's ability to hide him, deflect controversy from him, etc.
 
And to be clear, I still believe hiring Saban is the best move the franchise made since drafting Marino
 
I think we've got the best of both worlds.

To take a sporting analogy you can look at Rugby (for those who know the sport). Sir Clive Woodward was known as a manager rather than an outstanding coach, he put in the right coaches below him and micro managed all aspects of the off field process, bringing in the right people to do a job (ie a sports psychologist) and because he had the right squad, at the right time he took them to win the World Cup. Now getting to the point, because he himeslf wasn't a great coach, he couldn't turn things around so well without his world cup winning stars or, to alesser extent during games.

No-one should under estimate Saban's management skills, these have been lists in earlier posts, and I totally agree wih them. However you just need to see the way the team has adapted and evolved this year, and more importantly during games. Turning a game requires either great coaching or a great a mount of luck. It's happened far too regularly for it to be luck. Look at almost any game last year to see the team adapting and improving, especially in the second half.

This is a sign of great coaching and as good as the assistant coaches might be, this has to come from the top.

Another year, another draft and free agency period and this will become even more obvious to all those non-Dolphin fans ou there. I think all Dolphin fans already appreciate this.
:)
 
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