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Nick Saban and troubled, but talented players... when Nick first got to LSU, he said that he can not make average players great, but he could make talented players great. So through his years at LSU, he would get a questionable character, but very talented player or two every year, but they had a very short leash. If they worked out, then you ended up with a terrific player, but if not, they were quickly shown the door and we would move on. However, he never let them negatively affect the team.

This was Nick's version of playing poker... you could win big or lose... but you had to play to find out.

Just something to think about with Marcus Vick... and it was even Saban's approach when he looked to bring back RB Ricky Williams before last season.
 
That's definately what Saban has continued to do in Miami. He's been looking for high-risk, high-reward players who have managed to hurt their asking prices, and then trying to turn them around. The approach seems interesting, at least, and successful so far.
 
Quality Post. I'm pleased that they're taking a look at him... If it makes my team better I would certainly hope the coach would do it.
 
Yeah i could care less what they've down. What matters to me is that they are producing on the field and not hurting the team in the lockerroom.
 
Anyone who knows anything about Saban knows this.

He'll chop that guys head off the instant he messes up.

If the guy has an epifanny and goes......"Wow...Maybe I wanna
make millions in the NFL rather than flipping burgers...".....

We'll have a talented player on our team for nothing.

I think he's a steal as a FA.
 
LSUTigah said:
Nick Saban and troubled, but talented players... when Nick first got to LSU, he said that he can not make average players great, but he could make talented players great. So through his years at LSU, he would get a questionable character, but very talented player or two every year, but they had a very short leash. If they worked out, then you ended up with a terrific player, but if not, they were quickly shown the door and we would move on. However, he never let them negatively affect the team.

This was Nick's version of playing poker... you could win big or lose... but you had to play to find out.

Just something to think about with Marcus Vick... and it was even Saban's approach when he looked to bring back RB Ricky Williams before last season.
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nick saban is a unique head coach, and cares about players and their personal livelihoods as well, this guy is so successfull and knows how to reach different kinds of people, miami is lucky to have saban and he will prove all the doubters. In fact, ill even go out on a limb and say marcus makes the roster as a 3rd string QB and ricky will be back in 2007 in his ronnie brown tutor/ relief RB role.
 
I am really happy about Vick getting a shot with the Fins.

If Saban can turn him around, the rest of the NFL will be kicking themselves for not taking a shot...
 
It is different way to build a team. But, you must monitor the number of "projects" you have at any given time.

If you have too many "projects" at one position, you may set yourself up for a huge domino effect that could destroy your team. If you have an injury prone "project" who's dominating when playing but sometimes misses.... being backed up by a "project" with character issues..... more often, than not, when you "need" the character project to step in for the injury project... you may find yourself in a crisis if the character tends to act up at the wrong moment.

You still need quality, dependable guys all over the field.

I just see us reaching a "critical mass" with all these "project" players right now. We need more solid dependable guys for depth.

Culpepper's knee, M. Wright's issues, Allen's hip, Poole's knee, Traylor's health, Zach's health....

It's slowly piling up. And now, the "Vick" project.

Eventually, all of these projects start tying up key roster spots AND coaching resources.

Right now, more than anything we need dependable, quality depth at some critical positions. Namely, QB #2.

Like it or not, QB #2 will be the difference in us making the playoffs this year.

This speculation and hope that Culpepper will start week 1 is a pipe dream. As we edge closer to camp, then preseason and then the season, you're going to see QB as a HUGE weakeness.

I'll continue to say it, we need a solid vet who's been through the fire and to the playoffs. A proven commodity.

We need Kerry Collins.

We don't need another project in Harrington. And face it, he is a project by many regards: confidence, consistency and winning. He's not proven any.

And, as I said last year when we lost to the Jills and Jets early in the season... those early games can make or break a season.

We need a QB that can hit the ground running and can lead the locker room while Culpepper is recovering.

I'd hate to start the season and hear Culpepper's out 'till Week 9 with Harrington and Lemon as our depth chart.

Don't get me wrong.... I think Vick would be a nice "pet" project... but our coaches are going to have their hands full enough without another "project" running around.

jmo
 
NathanHunt said:
It is different way to build a team. But, you must monitor the number of "projects" you have at any given time.

If you have too many "projects" at one position, you may set yourself up for a huge domino effect that could destroy your team. If you have an injury prone "project" who's dominating when playing but sometimes misses.... being backed up by a "project" with character issues..... more often, than not, when you "need" the character project to step in for the injury project... you may find yourself in a crisis if the character tends to act up at the wrong moment.

You still need quality, dependable guys all over the field.

I just see us reaching a "critical mass" with all these "project" players right now. We need more solid dependable guys for depth.

Culpepper's knee, M. Wright's issues, Allen's hip, Poole's knee, Traylor's health, Zach's health....

It's slowly piling up. And now, the "Vick" project.

Eventually, all of these projects start tying up key roster spots AND coaching resources.

Right now, more than anything we need dependable, quality depth at some critical positions. Namely, QB #2.

Like it or not, QB #2 will be the difference in us making the playoffs this year.

This speculation and hope that Culpepper will start week 1 is a pipe dream. As we edge closer to camp, then preseason and then the season, you're going to see QB as a HUGE weakeness.

I'll continue to say it, we need a solid vet who's been through the fire and to the playoffs. A proven commodity.

We need Kerry Collins.

We don't need another project in Harrington. And face it, he is a project by many regards: confidence, consistency and winning. He's not proven any.

And, as I said last year when we lost to the Jills and Jets early in the season... those early games can make or break a season.

We need a QB that can hit the ground running and can lead the locker room while Culpepper is recovering.

I'd hate to start the season and hear Culpepper's out 'till Week 9 with Harrington and Lemon as our depth chart.

Don't get me wrong.... I think Vick would be a nice "pet" project... but our coaches are going to have their hands full enough without another "project" running around.

jmo
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Thoughtful post.

I'd agree with you re: Vick if we drafted him.

We're bringing him in on a flyer.

He's worth a look.
 
LSUTigah said:
Nick Saban and troubled, but talented players... when Nick first got to LSU, he said that he can not make average players great, but he could make talented players great. So through his years at LSU, he would get a questionable character, but very talented player or two every year, but they had a very short leash. If they worked out, then you ended up with a terrific player, but if not, they were quickly shown the door and we would move on. However, he never let them negatively affect the team.

This was Nick's version of playing poker... you could win big or lose... but you had to play to find out.

Just something to think about with Marcus Vick... and it was even Saban's approach when he looked to bring back RB Ricky Williams before last season.
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Thank you, Thank you. Now, just sit back and watch someone tell you his a thug, the next Rae Caruth, lock him up, I hate him, and etc..
 
NathanHunt said:
It is different way to build a team. But, you must monitor the number of "projects" you have at any given time.

If you have too many "projects" at one position, you may set yourself up for a huge domino effect that could destroy your team. If you have an injury prone "project" who's dominating when playing but sometimes misses.... being backed up by a "project" with character issues..... more often, than not, when you "need" the character project to step in for the injury project... you may find yourself in a crisis if the character tends to act up at the wrong moment.

You still need quality, dependable guys all over the field.

I just see us reaching a "critical mass" with all these "project" players right now. We need more solid dependable guys for depth.

Culpepper's knee, M. Wright's issues, Allen's hip, Poole's knee, Traylor's health, Zach's health....

It's slowly piling up. And now, the "Vick" project.

Eventually, all of these projects start tying up key roster spots AND coaching resources.

Right now, more than anything we need dependable, quality depth at some critical positions. Namely, QB #2.

Like it or not, QB #2 will be the difference in us making the playoffs this year.

This speculation and hope that Culpepper will start week 1 is a pipe dream. As we edge closer to camp, then preseason and then the season, you're going to see QB as a HUGE weakeness.

I'll continue to say it, we need a solid vet who's been through the fire and to the playoffs. A proven commodity.

We need Kerry Collins.

We don't need another project in Harrington. And face it, he is a project by many regards: confidence, consistency and winning. He's not proven any.

And, as I said last year when we lost to the Jills and Jets early in the season... those early games can make or break a season.

We need a QB that can hit the ground running and can lead the locker room while Culpepper is recovering.

I'd hate to start the season and hear Culpepper's out 'till Week 9 with Harrington and Lemon as our depth chart.

Don't get me wrong.... I think Vick would be a nice "pet" project... but our coaches are going to have their hands full enough without another "project" running around.

jmo
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I thank god it's YOUR opinion and not Dolphins management.
 
CRAZYDOLFAN305 said:
Thank you, Thank you. Now, just sit back and watch someone tell you his a thug, the next Rae Caruth, lock him up, I hate him, and etc..
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If someone compares Marcus Vick to Rae Carruth, then that person is totally lost.
 
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