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No, its NOT Tua’s last chance

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If Tua has a bad season, he's likely getting camp competition that's intended to take his job in 2023.

Doesn't matter if it's fair or not. I think that's reality at this point. Rookie contract ain't going to be there forever.
Would most likely be a vet then because I don`t think any rookie next year is coming in and beating out Tua for starting job
 

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Never said Brissett or Tua were good. Said Brissett outperformed Tua. BIG difference.
Here what I can say about Brisset he gave the best QB play vs the Raiders. He put the team in his back scored a TD on the last play and converted the 2pt conversion. We only lost because Fuller didn’t get the PI in the end zone. We lost but I was happy about how we played. I can’t recall any moment like that for Tua. In fact his game against the Cardinals was his best game when it comes to making the big plays, since then hasn’t come close to repeating that type of performance.
 

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There’s a narrative going nationwide that the 2022 season will be the last chance Tua Tagovailoa will have as the starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins and —quite possibly— a starting QB of any NFL team in the future.



And it’s just bogus, man.



Consider Tua is 13-8 as a starter in his first two seasons with a 66.2 average completion percentage. That’s a better record than LA Charger’s Justin Herbert’s 15-17, and an equal completion percentage. Tua had also beaten Herbert in 2020 during their first meeting as rookies.



And neither of the two has yet to make the playoffs. (FYI: Herbert went 1-3 down the stretch to finish the season. Tua went 3-1.)



Herbert may have the better statistical numbers on the field, but he’s also been playing with a superior offensive supporting cast consisting of WR Keenan Allen, WR Mike Williams, and RB Austin Ekeler. Not to mention an organization and GM that has provided him with weapons and protection since Day 1 and is still piling on top of those additions in order to make a push for the AFC West and a Superbowl.



Tua may be going into his 3rd season, but he was just beginning to get some capable weaponry when the Dolphins drafted Jaylen Waddle in the 1st round of 2021, and was supposed to be paired with free-agent acquisition Will Fuller. But Fuller was non-existent throughout the season due to injury and other issues.



Mike McDaniel — the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins — knows Tua hasn’t had the supporting cast that would statistically lead the quarterback to great numbers or the team offense being competitive in the NFL. And that’s why he and general manager Chris Grier have made efforts to acquire new running backs, WR’s (including Tyreek “the Cheetah” Hill), and offensive linemen during the 2022 offseason.



If this was Tua’s “last chance” with the organization, I doubt Mike McDaniel would have had such inspiring words to the quarterback shortly after he was hired via a recorded phone-call that McDaniel knew was being recorded, but Tua didn’t.



"One thing I know about you is you have the ambition to be great. My job is to coach you to get all that greatness out of you," McDaniel told Tagovailoa. "I'm gonna make sure that when you look back at this day you're gonna be like, 'Damn, that was one of the best days of my career, too.'"



It’s one thing to say you’re excited to work with your new QB (whether he’s good or not) and it’s another to speak words that verbally commit to getting “greatness” out of him. Those words that McDaniel spoke, verbally tied Tua and him together. Especially, since he was willing to do it on camera.



After all, it was the reason McDaniel was hired — to fix the offense former HC Brian Flores could never build.



If general manager Chris Grier thought Tua was the problem, then why collude to fire Brian Flores and keep Tua? Why not keep Flores and trade for the quarterback he truly wanted in Deshaun Watson?



Because Tua is not the problem. He never was the problem. His supporting cast, a coach that favored a journeyman veteran and was too impatient with his rookie quarterback, and an offensive staff that consistently overturned annually throughout the Flores regime was the problem.



Flores may have been a defensive genius, but he demonstrated throughout his first stint as a head coach that he was more interested in building a defense than he was an offense.



As I mentioned, Flores changed coordinators, QB’s coaches, and OL coaches each season. He promoted Tua midway during his rookie season in 2020 when the quarterback was coming off a major hip injury, and veteran Fitzpatrick was hitting his stride in the formerly-retired Chan Gailey offense (an offense Fitzpatrick played in a handful of times before throughout his career). That move not only caught Tua off-guard, but Gailey and Fitzpatrick as well. Coming from the Patriots, it was almost like Flores expected Tua to replace Fitzpatrick much like Tom Brady replaced Drew Bledsoe. Flores expected immediate success and his impatience turned into frustration when Tua went through some hard learning experiences and rough patches, and eventually yanked Tua for Fitzpatrick on multiple occasions, and started venturing for Watson.



Under Flores, the Dolphins neglected to draft a running back in the Top rounds of the 2020 and 2021 draft. To this day we’ve seen the Dolphins fail to have a respectable rushing attack since the 2016 days of Jay Ajayi. Meanwhile, we’ve seen draftees of the past 2 seasons like Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, and Javonte Williams become stars.



Over Tua’s days as a Dolphin, we’ve seen him get hurt, yanked, and we complain that he isn’t doing enough on the field in comparison to Herbert or Joe Burrow his fellow peers of the 2020 draft.



But with what?



— a wide receiving corps that’s always hurt?



— running backs like Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, and Gerrid Doaks that were either 7th-round selections or undrafted?



— a poor offensive line that can’t get any push for the run-game and forces Tua to run for his life and dink-n-dunk down the field?



Tua has played, he’s started, but he hasn’t had a true chance.



Yet, players like Mike Gesicki and new arrival Tyreek Hill rave about his ball placement and accuracy.



Yet, despite having a rushing attack that ranked 30th in YPG, Tua helped the Dolphins have a 17th-ranked passing attack.



Yet, despite not having an “elite arm”, Tua was one of the best deep-ball throwers in the league.



Yet, despite not having much of a supporting cast, Tua converted 3rd-downs into 1st-downs 46% of the time last season, which was 5th-best in the league. This proves to an extent that Tua can put an offense on his shoulders and still move the ball.



Tua’s football IQ also allows him to process coverage and moving parts of the field quickly after the ball is snapped, and his feel for pocket awareness prevents him from taking more sacks than he should (20).



All of these are key elements to a QB’s game that will keep coaches intrigued about Tua’s potential. It’s the reason why the Dolphins are still moving forward with Tua. Because they believe that with his natural gifts and better weaponry, they can get even more out of him.



Mike McDaniel said as much on that phone call. He’s even made it understood to his locker room and the media that Teddy Bridgewater will be the backup. And by all accounts, Tua is still the Dolphins sure-fire starter heading into training camp.



And unless Tua falls flat on his face or gets a major injury in 2022, the Dolphins will stick with him.



And if they decide to move on, another team will pick him up, and have him compete for a starting job.



You know why?



Because (although people don’t want to admit it) he can do the most important a quarterback can do— throw the football.



If Carson Wentz and Teddy Bridgewater can go from team to team each year with their shortcomings and be still be starters — so can Tua.



If Sam Darnold can still miss games, throw interceptions, and still start — so can Tua.



And if Daniel Jones can head into his 4th season, still be on the same team, still be a starter with a 12-25 record, while playing worse and worse and WORSE each year….



So can Tua Tagovailoa.

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Yes, Tua is better for winning games by scores like 16-13 (random example score) being carried by his defense.

While Herbert's defense is so God awful every game is a shootout.

I think the Rivers comparison was hilarious too. Comparing a veteran to a 2nd year player.

Last year Herbert threw more TD than Rivers did ANY season in his 15 seasons as a starter.

Rivers had 6/15 seasons as a starter with more than 30 TD passes. So far Herbert is 2/2.

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to explain that wins are a God awful way to evaluate the play of a QB.

Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow made the playoffs, by the logic in this thread BOTH are better NFL QB than Herbert?

Some of the people here need to learn how to learn.
Some people here need to play a new song. Back in black 10,000 times in a row gets old, real fast.
 

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Here what I can say about Brisset he gave the best QB play vs the Raiders. He put the team in his back scored a TD on the last play and converted the 2pt conversion. We only lost because Fuller didn’t get the PI in the end zone. We lost but I was happy about how we played. I can’t recall any moment like that for Tua. In fact his game against the Cardinals was his best game when it comes to making the big plays, since then hasn’t come close to repeating that type of performance.

Interesting you use the Raiders game.

The same game where Brissett threw a lateral in the end zone and disappeared in the 2nd and 3rd quarter and about 10 mins of the 4th.

If your metric for success was that last TD drive... Tua performed similarly, if not better in the Jags and Falcons games. Gave the team the lead in both games with less than 4 mins and 1 min. Respectively.

You say if there was a PI call we win. Well guess what, if the defense doesn't allow 2 scores in 4 mins. We beat the Jags. If the defense doesn't allow the Falcons to get like 55 yards in less than a minute we win. Because Tua gave us the lead in the 4th.

The Jets 2nd game,specifically the 3rd quarter his rookie season.

The Ravens game.

To say he hasn't had any games where he put it on his shoulders is absurd.

At the very least, to claim Tua didnt have similar or better QB play than Brissett against the Raiders, except, for the Arizona game is just....well.... ludicrous.
 

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Cant believe you guys are wasting time trying to prove Tua did better than Jacoby... What's the saying...? "Never argue with a fool, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" or "Dont argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"...

I mean I get caught alot but in this particular case, its so incredibly stupid that the clear move here is to just laugh it off...
 

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Cant believe you guys are wasting time trying to prove Tua did better than Jacoby... What's the saying...? "Never argue with a fool, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" or "Dont argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"...ssion a coi

I mean I get caught alot but in this particular case, its so incredibly stupid that the clear move here is to just laugh it off...

I left this discussion a couple days ago as I did not wish to exercise futility any further. I did so without any childish name calling or inferring any to another Phins fan.
I believe that any form of personal attack do nothing but create problems and animosity.

What do you think?
 

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I left this discussion a couple days ago as I did not wish to exercise futility any further. I did so without any childish name calling or inferring any to another Phins fan.
I believe that any form of personal attack do nothing but create problems and animosity.

What do you think?
I didnt personally attack anyone... However, if the hat fits...
 

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I didnt personally attack anyone... However, if the hat fits...

Did ya know that inference is the same as a personal attack if everyone knows what you are inferring? True story. :-)
 

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Cant believe you guys are wasting time trying to prove Tua did better than Jacoby... What's the saying...? "Never argue with a fool, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" or "Dont argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"...

I mean I get caught alot but in this particular case, its so incredibly stupid that the clear move here is to just laugh it off...
Very wise. Preach on.
 

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Once again, for the last time, Over, Done, Next.
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Did ya know that inference is the same as a personal attack if everyone knows what you are inferring? True story. :-)
Not the same. Yesterday I got into a verbal with a guy I never saw before that staying/lives next to us. His words to me was "if I wasn't so old". I considered that a threat so I called the police. Police came and said that is not a threat. I infer that was a threat but not to the cops.
 
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