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Not A Total Rebuild?

Great post. A total rebuild, IMO, doesn’t need to include trading away your objectively young and very good to elite players. I mean, opinions differ and I guess there’s an argument or situation where you replace all 22 starters, but to me that’s overkill if you have the kinds of players the Dolphins have. Especially on their offense like you wrote. The Jets obviously felt differently, but they’re the Jets. Using them as the measuring stick for what to do in a rebuild is akin to asking your plumber if the chest pain your’re having is a heart attack. 😂

To many people seem to define 'talent' as 'All Pro,' Thus, we only have a handful of players worth keeping, of, 'I'd keep Waddle and Achane and let everyone else walk.' Not true, EVERY top team has a LOT of middle tier players. Miami doesn't. That means Miami has talent, but, at the same time, not enough TOP talent. Both can be true. I think we all agree a number of upgrades are necessary. The debate is over the number of carry-overs being 5-10 or 20-25.
 
I think the fans of our opponents have started having more than us at our games. But Ross doesn't care.
The real eye opener for me was the final game of the 2023 season. It was a winner takes the division clash and thousand upon thousands of Miami season ticket holders sold their tickets to Bills fans. If the fans don't want to support the team in a game to take the division for the first time in 15 years then when will they ever show up?

Ross probably saw that and doesn't care who is in the seat, as long as someone is in it.
 
To many people seem to define 'talent' as 'All Pro,' Thus, we only have a handful of players worth keeping, of, 'I'd keep Waddle and Achane and let everyone else walk.' Not true, EVERY top team has a LOT of middle tier players. Miami doesn't. That means Miami has talent, but, at the same time, not enough TOP talent. Both can be true. I think we all agree a number of upgrades are necessary. The debate is over the number of carry-overs being 5-10 or 20-25.
I totally agree. I’m just not of the mindset that you let young and talented people walk. I realize that some believe we are in “cap hell” and think guys like Achane and Waddle are and/or will be too expensive because of that, but it’s really not true.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been irrational at times after a loss and wrote, “Fire everyone!”, but I typically calm down and see that you can’t just expect to trade everyone you want to trade. That’s not necessarily a black mark on the team, it just means (and like you wrote) we don’t have the Williams’ or Gardner’s which teams covet to get the trades to work.

Yesterday, IMO, was a nothing burger. I mean, sure, it would have been nice to get a first for JP and a first for Chubb, but that’s not realistic. Grier, who is no longer here, is definitely responsible for some of that. So screaming at the clouds is kinda worthless. Ross needs to focus on getting a legit GM. Nothing else really matters right now. Our cap will be fine (unless they decide to just bite the bullet and release Tua at season’s end). Those we couldn’t get low round picks for will just be released and still clear a lot of cap space. Not having an extra 7th round pick isn’t make or break.
 
Jests will most likely have a much better team next year than the Fins. More high draft picks and more money to spend.
Assuming they get those picks right and don't draft another Geno, Darnold or Wilson and get the right pieces around them.

Picks are lottery tickets, you don't automatically get a good player just because you have a high pick.
 
Assuming they get those picks right and don't draft another Geno, Darnold or Wilson and get the right pieces around them.

Picks are lottery tickets, you don't automatically get a good player just because you have a high pick.
How many times does this need to be written?

What are the odds that the Jets get another Williams-type player even with a higher pick? The odds are against that happening. It’s possible, but claiming a team will all of sudden be better because they have draft picks is shortsighted. I mean, as a Dolphins fan who watched what happened a few years ago when they, too, had numerous high picks should understand this fact. Lol

The Jets have had high draft picks for quite awhile now… how’s that worked out for them?
 
How many times does this need to be written?

What are the odds that the Jets get another Williams-type player even with a higher pick? The odds are against that happening. It’s possible, but claiming a team will all of sudden be better because they have draft picks is shortsighted. I mean, as a Dolphins fan who watched what happened a few years ago when they, too, had numerous high picks should understand this fact. Lol

The Jets have had high draft picks for quite awhile now… how’s that worked out for them?
Exactly. They have just given away two younger players in their prime, who are in the top 5 of their positions and who they already paid a lot of money to so will also be getting a cap hit for a few lottery tickets of hitting on the same calibre of player only a few years younger and cheaper.

The Jets are eating a dead cap of $22M this year and $21M next year after trading the two of them.

If I was a betting man I'd bet right now that with those extra 4 picks they do not pick any players that are better or even equal to the players they just traded.

I've never understood the logic of trading a young, proven player for a draft pick unless you aren't going to extend them. These two had already been extended, they are going to have a top 3 pick for another QB, why would you trade two of your defensive building blocks for a chance at drafting cheaper replacements when you aren't pressed against the cap?
 
I don't think this was the way to go, but yes... they could be thinking that it isn't a total rebuild.

Assuming that we let Tua play for one more year, we'll need a highly drafted WR1 type, an OT, and an OG minimum, along with a middle round TE minimum.

If Chubb and Minkah are maintained, we'll need a highly drafted CB... along with tangible development from Trader, Marshall, Grant and a return to health for Kohou, as well as using Chop properly.

So maybe...
1st round: WR1
2nd round: CB
3rd: OT
3rd: OG
4th: TE

If they all work out... then maybe...

But that's a LOT of ifs... a lot.

The biggest breakdown for me is whether we could ever expect Jackson and Daniels to remain healthy.
I wouldn't be mad at that draft. As long as we'd bring in some FA DTs and a stop gap line backer or two. But then the following year better be QB and nothing but defense. And more O line.
But we need a monster ILB/OLB and a QB in 27 draft.

But why would we expect Jackson and daniels to be healthy? Just consider them a scratch bro
 
Team isn’t winning with Tua. If no rebuild and he remains QB, there’s no hope.
I think there’s zero chance he’s here after the 2026 season. Hell, if the Dolphins decide to just bite the bullet he may be gone after this season.

If they release him post June 1, 2026, they’d have an $11m higher cap hit in 2026 ($67m vs about $56m) and then a dead cap hit of about $32m in 2027. But then he’s gone from the books.

If they keep him next season, they’ll have a $56m cap hit in 2026, and if they release him post June 1, 2027, they’d have a dead cap hit of $16m in 2027 and $18m in 2028.

I think the second scenario is more feasible, but the 1st scenario is doable. Especially considering that we SHOULD be in a rebuild for years 2026 and 2027.
 
Anyone who thinks we don’t need a full "rebuild" is just delusional
We do need a full rebuild but I don't think we need to sell 100% of our assets to do it. We just have to eat this dead money next year which sucks. And some in 27 but not as much as next year
 
Anyone who thinks we don’t need a full "rebuild" is just delusional
We do need a full rebuild but I don't think we need to sell 100% of our assets to do it. We just have to eat this dead money next year which sucks.

And yall wanna hear some funny stuff?

In 2026, we still have to pay:

Terron Armstead 10.7 mil
Jalen Ramsey 20.8 mil
Jonu Smith 1.6 mil

Jonnu isn't much thank God. And that's on top of the dead money we will pay to the players we cut after this season.

This season, we are still paying

Howard's
Ramsey
Phillips
Armstead
Fuller
Smythe
Mostert
Beckham

Lmao. grier is a genius!
 
I think there’s zero chance he’s here after the 2026 season. Hell, if the Dolphins decide to just bite the bullet he may be gone after this season.

If they release him post June 1, 2026, they’d have an $11m higher cap hit in 2026 ($67m vs about $56m) and then a dead cap hit of about $32m in 2027. But then he’s gone from the books.

If they keep him next season, they’ll have a $56m cap hit in 2026, and if they release him post June 1, 2027, they’d have a dead cap hit of $16m in 2027 and $18m in 2028.

I think the second scenario is more feasible, but the 1st scenario is doable. Especially considering that we SHOULD be in a rebuild for years 2026 and 2027.
I saw an interesting post on reddit a couple of weeks ago from the guy who is a bit of a salary cap wiz and he suggested that the Dolphins could actually restructure Tua's contract and then cut him.

cidolfus of reddit said:
If the Dolphins want to create breathing room, there’s one major lever they can pull. They can restructure Tagovailoa’s base salary.

I want to be clear that this does not mean that the Dolphins would keep him. Tagovailoa is due a fully-guaranteed $39,000,000 base salary in 2026 no matter what the team does. But the team can choose when that dead cap hits. Up to $37,740,000 of Tagovailoa’s 2026 base salary is eligible for restructure. The Dolphins can defer up to $30,192,000 to future years in a maximum restructure and immediately clear that cap space (as well as $1,000,000 more in non-guaranteed per game and workout bonuses).

The Dolphins could execute this restructure before the season begins and the team must be cap compliant and then, after paying and pro-rating his $15 million fully-guaranteed option bonus in the first three days of the league year, designate Tagovailoa as one of the team’s two early post-June 1 releases, deferring almost all of his dead cap hit to 2027. Consider the year-by-year cap impacts for the remainder of his contract after such a sequence of transactions:

Year​
Dead Cap​
Savings​
2026​
$25,208,000​
$31,192,000​
2027​
$73,992,000​
-$20,592,000​
2028​
$0​
$65,800,000​
2029​
$0​
$11,000,000​

Normally in an early post-June 1 designation, the team must wait until June 2 to realize the cap savings. In this scenario, because the Dolphins execute the restructure as a separate transaction before exercising the early designation, they immediately realize $30,192,000 of the cap savings.

The downside is a nearly $74 million dead cap in 2027, but keep in mind in this scenario the Dolphins have executed this move to offset 2026 dead cap acceleration on other contracts. That acceleration onto 2026 also clears huge swathes of cap commitments from 2027. Before any of the proposed transactions, the Dolphins are on target to have just just under $81 million in salary cap space in 2027. In this hypothetical fire sale, trading Chubb, Sieler, and Waddle this season and releasing Hill after the season means the projected available cap jumps to just about $189 million, and that’s before considering any rollover from 2026. At that point, an extra $20.6 million in dead money for Tagovailoa is a drop in the bucket.

Theoretically, the Dolphins could even decline to hit Tagovailoa with the early post-June 1 designation and hold him until after June 2 and try to execute a trade then, though this carries the consequence of guaranteeing $3,000,000 of his 2027 salary.

Full stuff was here.
 
I saw an interesting post on reddit a couple of weeks ago from the guy who is a bit of a salary cap wiz and he suggested that the Dolphins could actually restructure Tua's contract and then cut him.



Full stuff was here.

Yeah, a restructure and then cutting him would lessen the cap hits, but spread them out longer. That’s another option.
 
We do need a full rebuild but I don't think we need to sell 100% of our assets to do it. We just have to eat this dead money next year which sucks.

And yall wanna hear some funny stuff?

In 2026, we still have to pay:

Terron Armstead 10.7 mil
Jalen Ramsey 20.8 mil
Jonu Smith 1.6 mil

Jonnu isn't much thank God. And that's on top of the dead money we will pay to the players we cut after this season.

This season, we are still paying

Howard's
Ramsey
Phillips
Armstead
Fuller
Smythe
Mostert
Beckham

Lmao. grier is a genius!
Grier was so horrible as a GM that we'll be paying the price for a while
 
Assuming they get those picks right and don't draft another Geno, Darnold or Wilson and get the right pieces around them.

Picks are lottery tickets, you don't automatically get a good player just because you have a high pick.
The Jests have 5 #1 picks the next two years! It gives them a better chance than the Fins. Period.
 
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