ckparrothead
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...which is amazing, because obviously we have no shortage of doom-and-gloomers around here and it seems no aspect of the team is safe from criticism. But nonetheless, here is a record of Henne's 18 incompletions last night...
1. A 2nd & 5, 30 yard strike on a corner route right in front of the end zone where Ginn tripped on his own feet at the end of the route and so he wasn't in position to make the catch.
2. A 3rd & 5, 16 yard drop on a very catchable but low ball 16 yards over the middle by Bess.
3. A 3rd & 7, near-pick on a 10 yard out to Ginn. Henne and Tracy Porter (man cover) were thinking the route should cut off at the sticks but Ginn ran 3 yards too far, Porter undercut him.
4. A 2nd & 11, perfect 20 yard back shoulder to Haynos where Joey couldn't get a second foot down (looked like he was aiming for a force-out but there's no force-out rule anymore).
5. A 3rd & 11, 20 yard strike on a fade pattern to Ginn with heavy pressure right up the gut, popped up by Ginn and intercepted, returned for TD.
6. A 3rd & 8, deep incompletion to Hartline on an in-and-out, hard to tell how on/off the mark Henne was, hit as he threw, but Hartline was clearly cut off early and no call.
7. A 3rd & 10, drop on a 0 yard RB screen to Ricky Williams that was pretty well covered but a drop all the same.
8. A 1st & 10, throwaway where Henne was hit as he threw.
9. A 1st & 10, 15 yard double move inside to Bess that was nearly picked. Bess never sold the outside move, it was a poor route, the CB undercut him.
10. A 2nd & 10, 5 yard out to Bess that was hit at the line of scrimmage by a safety blitzer.
11. A 3rd & 10, 37 yard deep post to Ginn in man coverage across his body after rolling right, first view looks contested but replay shows it go right through Ginn's hands.
12. A 1st & 10, 5 yard middle route to an open Haynos where Henne was hit as he threw right off the 5 step drop.
13. A 3rd & 10, 12 yard cut-off where Brian Hartline just flat out didn't realize he was supposed to cut his route off, ran long the whole way.
14. A 2nd & 3, 15 yard hitch to Ginn that went right into his hip pocket and was dropped. Seriously if he had pockets it would have stuck inside one.
15. A 2nd & 8, 6 yard checkdown to Williams that he flat out dropped, wouldn't have converted but would have made for a makeable 3rd & 2 on pivotal comeback drive.
16. A 3rd & 13 (post false start), 7 yard checkdown attempt to Polite that was just off target, or perhaps a miscommunication Henne wanted Lou to push deeper since he was open.
17. A 4th & 13, hit as he threw, out to nobody in particular that was intercepted and returned for a TD. Nobody picked up the inside blitzer. Game was over, nobody he could have thrown to. (EDIT: Henne later pointed out that on this play with the free blitzer coming at him just as he turned around, he had to throw it up to his receiver in single coverage and hope he makes a play, but according to Carlos Frias the receiver cut inside where he should have cut outside. Yet another receiver miscue.)
18. As a perfeft "Eff You" way to end the game, a 1st & 10, 26 yard end zone strike to Ginn on a fade that slipped right through his hands and hit him on the bicep.
Bonus Hits:
1. Just for sh-ts and giggles I'll mention a 2nd & 10 play where Ronnie Brown did a perfect Big Ben impression and Fasano flubbed an easy 21 yard strike from the lefty.
2. A 1st & 10, 3 yard checkdown to Camarillo well covered but thrown to the outside shoulder, catchable and dropped, Henne under heavy duress (garbage drive, defensive holding, no play)
3. One of Henne's two sacks (the other was a coverage sack which you can blame on him if you want), DT Tony Hargrove came in unblocked on play-action, no chance to escape.
4. Ted Ginn was the guy that was still moving on the illegal procedure penalty that caused a run-off and the end of game.
Was it perfect? No. There were two balls thrown in man coverage where the CB undercut the route and got a hand on the ball. Those are chances for a pick. But other than that we've got 9 perfectly thrown strikes that could have been caught. Some of them (5) were what I would refer to as bold drops. A few others were good coverage but the ball was so well thrown it still went right into the receiver's hands. One was caught but only got 1 foot, and the other Ginn tripped over his feet after getting open. In addition to the 9 well-targeted passes that went incomplete largely because of the receiver, you have 3 where Henne's arm was either hit as he threw or the ball was tipped at the line, or thrown away. On top of that, 2 more miscommunication throws. This is the kind of performance I expect from a top level QB, those guys are supposed to have minimal incompletions that are really just on them for picking the wrong guy or having an off throw, etc. When you pick the right guy and let it fly, and nobody hits you as you throw, nobody tips the ball, you should probably be more like 90% accurate, not the standard 60%. It's the bad circumstance stuff that gets you down to like a 60% level.
Honestly I look at this game and especially as I re-watch it...it gives me a lot of hope about Chad Henne. Unlike the Jets game, he was actually asked this time to throw a lot on imperfect down and distances. Against the Jets he was only asked to do that later in the game and he came through. He was asked to throw more consistently in this game and I think he came out punching pretty well. Very encouraging performance.
It's becoming pretty clear that we need more play makers in the receivers unit (I think even I chuckle when I say that, as if it hasn't been clear for a while), but again I also insist that the tight ends units. Fasano and Haynos let us down big time in the passing game once again. They do OK blocking for sure, but we need more than that. We need pass catching options. I still prioritize it ahead of the WRs.
And Ginn...wow. Some guys step up to the plate and some don't. I think we're going to have to live with the fact that Ginn will go out there and have a play like that 53 yard TD against the Jets, and then when we reward him with more playing time, he'll go out there and stink it up. I maintain that he has a role in this offense, but he's a Devery Henderson at best. I don't know the answer to the WR dilemma. I'm pretty happy with Hartline's progress but he had at least one stupid mistake out there that cost us. The good news is he looks like a player that makes big plays, like Ginn is supposed to do. Bess had a real, real bad day.
On the other hand...god damn defense. On a day when you score 34 against a D that was known as pretty good, you still lose. I know the Saints are good on offense, but you should be able to slow them down a lot better than that. The Jets and Bills did.
1. A 2nd & 5, 30 yard strike on a corner route right in front of the end zone where Ginn tripped on his own feet at the end of the route and so he wasn't in position to make the catch.
2. A 3rd & 5, 16 yard drop on a very catchable but low ball 16 yards over the middle by Bess.
3. A 3rd & 7, near-pick on a 10 yard out to Ginn. Henne and Tracy Porter (man cover) were thinking the route should cut off at the sticks but Ginn ran 3 yards too far, Porter undercut him.
4. A 2nd & 11, perfect 20 yard back shoulder to Haynos where Joey couldn't get a second foot down (looked like he was aiming for a force-out but there's no force-out rule anymore).
5. A 3rd & 11, 20 yard strike on a fade pattern to Ginn with heavy pressure right up the gut, popped up by Ginn and intercepted, returned for TD.
6. A 3rd & 8, deep incompletion to Hartline on an in-and-out, hard to tell how on/off the mark Henne was, hit as he threw, but Hartline was clearly cut off early and no call.
7. A 3rd & 10, drop on a 0 yard RB screen to Ricky Williams that was pretty well covered but a drop all the same.
8. A 1st & 10, throwaway where Henne was hit as he threw.
9. A 1st & 10, 15 yard double move inside to Bess that was nearly picked. Bess never sold the outside move, it was a poor route, the CB undercut him.
10. A 2nd & 10, 5 yard out to Bess that was hit at the line of scrimmage by a safety blitzer.
11. A 3rd & 10, 37 yard deep post to Ginn in man coverage across his body after rolling right, first view looks contested but replay shows it go right through Ginn's hands.
12. A 1st & 10, 5 yard middle route to an open Haynos where Henne was hit as he threw right off the 5 step drop.
13. A 3rd & 10, 12 yard cut-off where Brian Hartline just flat out didn't realize he was supposed to cut his route off, ran long the whole way.
14. A 2nd & 3, 15 yard hitch to Ginn that went right into his hip pocket and was dropped. Seriously if he had pockets it would have stuck inside one.
15. A 2nd & 8, 6 yard checkdown to Williams that he flat out dropped, wouldn't have converted but would have made for a makeable 3rd & 2 on pivotal comeback drive.
16. A 3rd & 13 (post false start), 7 yard checkdown attempt to Polite that was just off target, or perhaps a miscommunication Henne wanted Lou to push deeper since he was open.
17. A 4th & 13, hit as he threw, out to nobody in particular that was intercepted and returned for a TD. Nobody picked up the inside blitzer. Game was over, nobody he could have thrown to. (EDIT: Henne later pointed out that on this play with the free blitzer coming at him just as he turned around, he had to throw it up to his receiver in single coverage and hope he makes a play, but according to Carlos Frias the receiver cut inside where he should have cut outside. Yet another receiver miscue.)
18. As a perfeft "Eff You" way to end the game, a 1st & 10, 26 yard end zone strike to Ginn on a fade that slipped right through his hands and hit him on the bicep.
Bonus Hits:
1. Just for sh-ts and giggles I'll mention a 2nd & 10 play where Ronnie Brown did a perfect Big Ben impression and Fasano flubbed an easy 21 yard strike from the lefty.
2. A 1st & 10, 3 yard checkdown to Camarillo well covered but thrown to the outside shoulder, catchable and dropped, Henne under heavy duress (garbage drive, defensive holding, no play)
3. One of Henne's two sacks (the other was a coverage sack which you can blame on him if you want), DT Tony Hargrove came in unblocked on play-action, no chance to escape.
4. Ted Ginn was the guy that was still moving on the illegal procedure penalty that caused a run-off and the end of game.
Was it perfect? No. There were two balls thrown in man coverage where the CB undercut the route and got a hand on the ball. Those are chances for a pick. But other than that we've got 9 perfectly thrown strikes that could have been caught. Some of them (5) were what I would refer to as bold drops. A few others were good coverage but the ball was so well thrown it still went right into the receiver's hands. One was caught but only got 1 foot, and the other Ginn tripped over his feet after getting open. In addition to the 9 well-targeted passes that went incomplete largely because of the receiver, you have 3 where Henne's arm was either hit as he threw or the ball was tipped at the line, or thrown away. On top of that, 2 more miscommunication throws. This is the kind of performance I expect from a top level QB, those guys are supposed to have minimal incompletions that are really just on them for picking the wrong guy or having an off throw, etc. When you pick the right guy and let it fly, and nobody hits you as you throw, nobody tips the ball, you should probably be more like 90% accurate, not the standard 60%. It's the bad circumstance stuff that gets you down to like a 60% level.
Honestly I look at this game and especially as I re-watch it...it gives me a lot of hope about Chad Henne. Unlike the Jets game, he was actually asked this time to throw a lot on imperfect down and distances. Against the Jets he was only asked to do that later in the game and he came through. He was asked to throw more consistently in this game and I think he came out punching pretty well. Very encouraging performance.
It's becoming pretty clear that we need more play makers in the receivers unit (I think even I chuckle when I say that, as if it hasn't been clear for a while), but again I also insist that the tight ends units. Fasano and Haynos let us down big time in the passing game once again. They do OK blocking for sure, but we need more than that. We need pass catching options. I still prioritize it ahead of the WRs.
And Ginn...wow. Some guys step up to the plate and some don't. I think we're going to have to live with the fact that Ginn will go out there and have a play like that 53 yard TD against the Jets, and then when we reward him with more playing time, he'll go out there and stink it up. I maintain that he has a role in this offense, but he's a Devery Henderson at best. I don't know the answer to the WR dilemma. I'm pretty happy with Hartline's progress but he had at least one stupid mistake out there that cost us. The good news is he looks like a player that makes big plays, like Ginn is supposed to do. Bess had a real, real bad day.
On the other hand...god damn defense. On a day when you score 34 against a D that was known as pretty good, you still lose. I know the Saints are good on offense, but you should be able to slow them down a lot better than that. The Jets and Bills did.
