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Observations from a man with glaucoma - "Our Scheme"

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Really sucks for TUA and all us suffering Dolphins fan's. I been a fan since Dan Marino took over and I still remember like it was yesterday when Dan told Joe Montana that he would be back next year in that soda commercial. I been waiting and waiting and Im scared it isn't going to happen again for a very long time. I hope TUA gets what he needs, but I think he should retire if he wants any quality of life going forward.

More to the point of this thread is as a long time fan, I have come to realize that I don't believe The System we have installed for our offense is going to be successful. The entire offense relies on rhythm passing and timing routes. It worked really well year 1 and part of year 2, but as we have all seen when it matters in big game we come up usually well short of making it competitive.

Our Gm and Head Coach as well have built this entire offense around rythmn and timing routes. This just isn't sustainable to me. In order for our offense to be in control so much has to go right. QB has to be very accurate and decisive, our WR have to make cut within 3-5 seconds and our line which is made up of rag tag players for the most part have to just hold a block for a few seconds because the ball should be out by than.

I think this is why we never invest in premium offensive line players or rely on older cheaper veterans because they don't expect them to block for long. However in game where like where the defense can cover or schemes to keep Hill and Waddle bottled up we don't really have an answer on how to move the ball.

I think we need a new scheme and we need a new quarterback regardless if TUA comes back or not expecting him to stay healthy for the next 4 years after suffering 4 concussions in 5 years is pretty hard to imagine at this time.

We need a Bigger stature Quarterback who has some mobility to improvise when plays break down, and one that isn't injury prone coming in. Where we get them I dunno! We saddled with TUAs contract now, and we can't trade or sign a premier player without some major cost cutting.

We need road grader offensive line that can get 3-4 on each play and can control the ball in wet / cold weather. We need 2 TE's and 2 WR's

IF we go 2-3 or 3-5 over the next few weeks I think we need to seriously consider blowing it up and trading away our older serviceable players for draft picks. Give them a chance to go play for a team that can win now, while keeping our young talent. I believe Grier has to go before any of this happens, McDaniels needs to probably relinquish play calling duties as well and focus on being the Head Coach right now or he might be on the way out also.

I think we need a more traditional offense built around the running backs which McDaniel should be good at, and stop trying to recreate highlight reel 60 yard bombs every week 3-4 times a game. We need to be more methodical and physical on offense.

Maybe I'm rambling, or just venting my frustrations with this team, but I honestly believe we need to change the scheme and find a bigger QB who can take hits for us the progress. We need Grier to not be a part of any of the rebuilding or future QB selections because he's had his chances and were constantly rebuilding.

Do you think we need to replace the offense scheme or do you think this style of offense is going to bring a championship home to Miami anytime soon? What changes do you feel are needed and "Doable"
 
Our Gm and Head Coach as well have built this entire offense around rythmn and timing routes. This just isn't sustainable to me. In order for our offense to be in control so much has to go right. QB has to be very accurate and decisive, our WR have to make cut within 3-5 seconds and our line which is made up of rag tag players for the most part have to just hold a block for a few seconds because the ball should be out by than.

Correctamundo. Ah, correcto.

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Really sucks for TUA and all us suffering Dolphins fan's. I been a fan since Dan Marino took over and I still remember like it was yesterday when Dan told Joe Montana that he would be back next year in that soda commercial. I been waiting and waiting and Im scared it isn't going to happen again for a very long time. I hope TUA gets what he needs, but I think he should retire if he wants any quality of life going forward.

More to the point of this thread is as a long time fan, I have come to realize that I don't believe The System we have installed for our offense is going to be successful. The entire offense relies on rhythm passing and timing routes. It worked really well year 1 and part of year 2, but as we have all seen when it matters in big game we come up usually well short of making it competitive.

Our Gm and Head Coach as well have built this entire offense around rythmn and timing routes. This just isn't sustainable to me. In order for our offense to be in control so much has to go right. QB has to be very accurate and decisive, our WR have to make cut within 3-5 seconds and our line which is made up of rag tag players for the most part have to just hold a block for a few seconds because the ball should be out by than.

I think this is why we never invest in premium offensive line players or rely on older cheaper veterans because they don't expect them to block for long. However in game where like where the defense can cover or schemes to keep Hill and Waddle bottled up we don't really have an answer on how to move the ball.

I think we need a new scheme and we need a new quarterback regardless if TUA comes back or not expecting him to stay healthy for the next 4 years after suffering 4 concussions in 5 years is pretty hard to imagine at this time.

We need a Bigger stature Quarterback who has some mobility to improvise when plays break down, and one that isn't injury prone coming in. Where we get them I dunno! We saddled with TUAs contract now, and we can't trade or sign a premier player without some major cost cutting.

We need road grader offensive line that can get 3-4 on each play and can control the ball in wet / cold weather. We need 2 TE's and 2 WR's

IF we go 2-3 or 3-5 over the next few weeks I think we need to seriously consider blowing it up and trading away our older serviceable players for draft picks. Give them a chance to go play for a team that can win now, while keeping our young talent. I believe Grier has to go before any of this happens, McDaniels needs to probably relinquish play calling duties as well and focus on being the Head Coach right now or he might be on the way out also.

I think we need a more traditional offense built around the running backs which McDaniel should be good at, and stop trying to recreate highlight reel 60 yard bombs every week 3-4 times a game. We need to be more methodical and physical on offense.

Maybe I'm rambling, or just venting my frustrations with this team, but I honestly believe we need to change the scheme and find a bigger QB who can take hits for us the progress. We need Grier to not be a part of any of the rebuilding or future QB selections because he's had his chances and were constantly rebuilding.

Do you think we need to replace the offense scheme or do you think this style of offense is going to bring a championship home to Miami anytime soon? What changes do you feel are needed and "Doable"
Fair enough.

As for change needed, can we trade some of our more negative posters to the Jets?

At least we will know what we are getting in return, and that should be an improvement! - LOL
 
Really sucks for TUA and all us suffering Dolphins fan's. I been a fan since Dan Marino took over and I still remember like it was yesterday when Dan told Joe Montana that he would be back next year in that soda commercial. I been waiting and waiting and Im scared it isn't going to happen again for a very long time. I hope TUA gets what he needs, but I think he should retire if he wants any quality of life going forward.

More to the point of this thread is as a long time fan, I have come to realize that I don't believe The System we have installed for our offense is going to be successful. The entire offense relies on rhythm passing and timing routes. It worked really well year 1 and part of year 2, but as we have all seen when it matters in big game we come up usually well short of making it competitive.

Our Gm and Head Coach as well have built this entire offense around rythmn and timing routes. This just isn't sustainable to me. In order for our offense to be in control so much has to go right. QB has to be very accurate and decisive, our WR have to make cut within 3-5 seconds and our line which is made up of rag tag players for the most part have to just hold a block for a few seconds because the ball should be out by than.

I think this is why we never invest in premium offensive line players or rely on older cheaper veterans because they don't expect them to block for long. However in game where like where the defense can cover or schemes to keep Hill and Waddle bottled up we don't really have an answer on how to move the ball.

I think we need a new scheme and we need a new quarterback regardless if TUA comes back or not expecting him to stay healthy for the next 4 years after suffering 4 concussions in 5 years is pretty hard to imagine at this time.

We need a Bigger stature Quarterback who has some mobility to improvise when plays break down, and one that isn't injury prone coming in. Where we get them I dunno! We saddled with TUAs contract now, and we can't trade or sign a premier player without some major cost cutting.

We need road grader offensive line that can get 3-4 on each play and can control the ball in wet / cold weather. We need 2 TE's and 2 WR's

IF we go 2-3 or 3-5 over the next few weeks I think we need to seriously consider blowing it up and trading away our older serviceable players for draft picks. Give them a chance to go play for a team that can win now, while keeping our young talent. I believe Grier has to go before any of this happens, McDaniels needs to probably relinquish play calling duties as well and focus on being the Head Coach right now or he might be on the way out also.

I think we need a more traditional offense built around the running backs which McDaniel should be good at, and stop trying to recreate highlight reel 60 yard bombs every week 3-4 times a game. We need to be more methodical and physical on offense.

Maybe I'm rambling, or just venting my frustrations with this team, but I honestly believe we need to change the scheme and find a bigger QB who can take hits for us the progress. We need Grier to not be a part of any of the rebuilding or future QB selections because he's had his chances and were constantly rebuilding.

Do you think we need to replace the offense scheme or do you think this style of offense is going to bring a championship home to Miami anytime soon? What changes do you feel are needed and "Doable"
This scheme is entertainment ... not football.

I watch Baker Mayfield play football .... I watch Tua play Qb.

The team is way too finesse and not enough power. The players on offense are running programmed timing routes when passing, so all you have to do is apply some pressure on the line to move the unsure Qb from his spot and/or disrupt the receivers for .5 seconds, and it goes to ****. There are no "hero plays" because in 3 seconds the play is over. I don't see a play maker on offense outside the scripted plays and the Qb can't play off script... disaster.

The HC is everyone's friend and a real swell guy. That is the perception of the Dolphins. Fun in the sun and nowhere to run. Great atmosphere, superb training/medical facilities (and you'll need them), great food and a canopy to keep us cooler. FKN Club Med...

Of course, just my opinion. Hope Tua heals and finds a better career for himself. I would hate to see what another hard hit may do. :cheers:
 
Pretty much spot on. An offense built like this was never going to be sustainable. Defenses adjust. They always do. Sometimes it takes a year or two, but not more than that really. Our offense has been “figured out” to the extent that teams know how to contain it. Need to be able to counter with underneath stuff and sustain drives without self destructive penalties or negative yardage run plays etc. Curious to see what how we operate w Thompson as the QB.
 
Too many needs for this offense to be successful. It has been figured out. This so called “high” powered offense has put up 30 points in the first 2 weeks against mediocre teams. Any team that is more physical than Miami will have a good chance of winning.
 
This scheme is entertainment ... not football.

I watch Baker Mayfield play football .... I watch Tua play Qb.

The team is way too finesse and not enough power. The players on offense are running programmed timing routes when passing, so all you have to do is apply some pressure on the line to move the unsure Qb from his spot and/or disrupt the receivers for .5 seconds, and it goes to ****. There are no "hero plays" because in 3 seconds the play is over. I don't see a play maker on offense outside the scripted plays and the Qb can't play off script... disaster.

The HC is everyone's friend and a real swell guy. That is the perception of the Dolphins. Fun in the sun and nowhere to run. Great atmosphere, superb training/medical facilities (and you'll need them), great food and a canopy to keep us cooler. FKN Club Med...

Of course, just my opinion. Hope Tua heals and finds a better career for himself. I would hate to see what another hard hit may do. :cheers:
I hear McDaniel brings flowers to players who have the best practice the previous day.
 
Pretty much spot on. An offense built like this was never going to be sustainable. Defenses adjust. They always do. Sometimes it takes a year or two, but not more than that really. Our offense has been “figured out” to the extent that teams know how to contain it. Need to be able to counter with underneath stuff and sustain drives without self destructive penalties or negative yardage run plays etc. Curious to see what how we operate w Thompson as the QB.

I think the offense is going to be horrendous with Thompson. I wish that I could get a refund on my Sunday Ticket lol. But you are right, defenses have figured out Miami.
 
I have supported Tua since day 1. I waited until his throwback jersey was available on the NFL shop his rookie season and bought it the first day it came out (love the aqua ones). That being said I am at the point where I can admit Tua is not the answer. It is not because he does not have talent; I think he could be a successful QB if he never gets hurt.

The reality is 3 concussions in 2 years is a big deal. I believe he will try to come back from the IR this year. I also believe he has an astronomically high chance of suffering another concussion. Even if it is not this year, a 4th concussion on national TV is a bad look for the NFL.

Tua seems like a genuinely great guy. At some point he will prioritize his health and family and step away from the field. It might be a year or two from now. But we have to accept he realistically won’t be our QB 5 years from now. It is time to start over.
 
An effective running game keeps LB’s closer to the los, it also forces at least 1 safety down for support which opens up lanes for the intermediate passes McDaniel loves so much. When this offense was clicking, we were running the ball effectively.
 
The scheme is fun to watch but I agree. It’s way too dependent on Reek and Waddle to get open quickly every play.

It’s very clear that teams have a blueprint to stop our offense which is why we struggled against top defenses in the past.

I could see us struggling against some mediocre defenses this season since there’s so much film out there now on our offense. There’s a good amount of film on our offense when it’s clicking as well as a lot of film of our offense struggling.

I was hoping we added to the offense this past offseason but it doesn’t seem like it as of right now. That’s a massive problem if that’s the case.

I still don’t think we have to completely scrap our scheme like that but we absolutely have to add to it.

The best way to add to the offense is to bring in some big boys that can block for more than 2 seconds. Everyone knows fixing the O-Line would help our offense drastically with the exception of our front office and coaching staff.

If we could actually give Tua some time to find the open receiver then that’d be MASSIVE when it comes to making a playoff run. That doesn’t mean you can’t do timed passes anymore, it just means we can mix it up with timed pass plays as well as pass plays that take longer to develop. It’s common sense but the front office is ignoring it. Pure ignorance.

I hope they’ll have a reality check this offseason and finally go all in to address the line. I won’t hold my breath tho
 
Really sucks for TUA and all us suffering Dolphins fan's. I been a fan since Dan Marino took over and I still remember like it was yesterday when Dan told Joe Montana that he would be back next year in that soda commercial. I been waiting and waiting and Im scared it isn't going to happen again for a very long time. I hope TUA gets what he needs, but I think he should retire if he wants any quality of life going forward.

More to the point of this thread is as a long time fan, I have come to realize that I don't believe The System we have installed for our offense is going to be successful. The entire offense relies on rhythm passing and timing routes. It worked really well year 1 and part of year 2, but as we have all seen when it matters in big game we come up usually well short of making it competitive.

Our Gm and Head Coach as well have built this entire offense around rythmn and timing routes. This just isn't sustainable to me. In order for our offense to be in control so much has to go right. QB has to be very accurate and decisive, our WR have to make cut within 3-5 seconds and our line which is made up of rag tag players for the most part have to just hold a block for a few seconds because the ball should be out by than.

I think this is why we never invest in premium offensive line players or rely on older cheaper veterans because they don't expect them to block for long. However in game where like where the defense can cover or schemes to keep Hill and Waddle bottled up we don't really have an answer on how to move the ball.

I think we need a new scheme and we need a new quarterback regardless if TUA comes back or not expecting him to stay healthy for the next 4 years after suffering 4 concussions in 5 years is pretty hard to imagine at this time.

We need a Bigger stature Quarterback who has some mobility to improvise when plays break down, and one that isn't injury prone coming in. Where we get them I dunno! We saddled with TUAs contract now, and we can't trade or sign a premier player without some major cost cutting.

We need road grader offensive line that can get 3-4 on each play and can control the ball in wet / cold weather. We need 2 TE's and 2 WR's

IF we go 2-3 or 3-5 over the next few weeks I think we need to seriously consider blowing it up and trading away our older serviceable players for draft picks. Give them a chance to go play for a team that can win now, while keeping our young talent. I believe Grier has to go before any of this happens, McDaniels needs to probably relinquish play calling duties as well and focus on being the Head Coach right now or he might be on the way out also.

I think we need a more traditional offense built around the running backs which McDaniel should be good at, and stop trying to recreate highlight reel 60 yard bombs every week 3-4 times a game. We need to be more methodical and physical on offense.

Maybe I'm rambling, or just venting my frustrations with this team, but I honestly believe we need to change the scheme and find a bigger QB who can take hits for us the progress. We need Grier to not be a part of any of the rebuilding or future QB selections because he's had his chances and were constantly rebuilding.

Do you think we need to replace the offense scheme or do you think this style of offense is going to bring a championship home to Miami anytime soon? What changes do you feel are needed and "Doable"

Disagree to an extent. The problem with the scheme is Mcd. Timing patterns and ONLY timing patterns are easy for the D to neutralize, worse is to have a timing scheme and only have TH/waddle as 1st/2nd read. That makes the D's job even easier. Timing is very effective, but is PART of the scheme - not the only part. TBF, Mcd has gotten away from timing quite a bit. Had to. The bad news is TH/Waddle are still 1st reads.
I agree Mcd needs a 'real' play caller, but that carries with it the O can be better with a different scheme, which is true. But, IMHO, that's not so much scheme as strategy. Only two WRs not named TH/waddle have been targeted. Achane is 2nd in targets, but most of those are dump offs.
I'll not list all the football 101 mistakes Mcd makes, but I'm making a point.
No in-game adjustments
No targeting mismatches
No shallow crossers
No seam routes
No uptempo
My point is, a lot of the problems aren't scheme-based, but OC-based.
This is all with the same QB, same OL, same 'finesse' philosophy. Doesn't mean I DON'T want changes, but the O isn't playing up to talent. That's on Mcd
 
Not to mention that McDaniel only has about 9 plays, 2 of which he learned this year, that he calls the whole game.

That's my thing. I think the scheme could be good. There is just next to no adjustments. If he/we could adjust to what the defense is doing, we would more than be ok. See Shanahan in SF.
Spot on with the players and I agree on going back to a more power physical football team. I really don't get why we can't get maulers on the o line with this scheme? I keep being told that all athletes these days are bigger stronger faster (everyone on the other teams lol, jk) and more athletic so isn't there a thing where an o lineman can be a mauler and still fit this system?
 
Not to mention that McDaniel only has about 9 plays, 2 of which he learned this year, that he calls the whole game.

That's my thing. I think the scheme could be good. There is just next to no adjustments. If he/we could adjust to what the defense is doing, we would more than be ok. See Shanahan in SF.
Spot on with the players and I agree on going back to a more power physical football team. I really don't get why we can't get maulers on the o line with this scheme? I keep being told that all athletes these days are bigger stronger faster (everyone on the other teams lol, jk) and more athletic so isn't there a thing where an o lineman can be a mauler and still fit this system?
Agree, there still is a place for being effective in the run game and having an efficient offense in the league today, despite the rule changes making it easier to pass. If you are going to have Miami's current pass happy offense, you better damn well have counters built in when teams like the bills shut you down. But maybe there is no counter. This team is built more for flag football
 
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