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lynx said:
Wow, that's weird. If Carman doesn't get beat Tua doesn't get sacked because at that point he was already away from Eich, just out of the pocket, and running with the ball.

At the very least he could have thrown it away.
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I found it. I don’t know how to post it but it’s a flat footed read. The qb isn’t supposed to be moved off the spot there. The ball is also designed to come out quick thus the flat foot read. For some reason Tua didn’t throw it to his predetermined primary there Jonnu (who is taken away) and may be his first look there and whoever the guy on the outside is i tbink it’s cracraft and he’s open by the way at the sticks. When the guard got shoved in his lap immediately he bailed backwards unaware of the backside edge coming at him. He’s not bailing out if not for the guard in his lap there. Unless he just drops his eye level when he shouldn’t and takes off with it.

The play is broken down completely because of eich. From a design standpoint.



305 mark on here. Pay attention to the sticks distance 3rd and 5 flat footed read. Drops indicate depth. And route combos.

3 routes basically at the sticks marks.
 
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hoops said:
The offense doesn’t do anything much to help the qb at all?

Are you ****ing serious
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This year did because it was all we could do with the line being that bad, no run game and teams playing 2 deep. Didn’t in 2022 and 2023. It’s all in the post, did you try reading it?
 
MARINO1384 said:
This year did because it was all we could do with the line being that bad, no run game and teams playing 2 deep. Didn’t in 2022 and 2023. It’s all in the post, did you try reading it?
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I can’t see who you’re replying to… but tell them that the Bills, KC, Detroit, Tampa, Redskins and many other teams both threw the ball behind the LoS and threw more screen passes than the Dolphins last season.
 
hoops said:
I found it. I don’t know how to post it but it’s a flat footed read. The qb isn’t supposed to be moved off the spot there. The ball is also designed to come out quick thus the flat foot read. For some reason Tua didn’t throw it to his predetermined primary there Jonnu (who is taken away) and may be his first look there and whoever the guy on the outside is i tbink it’s cracraft and he’s open by the way at the sticks. When the guard got shoved in his lap immediately he bailed backwards unaware of the backside edge coming at him. He’s not bailing out if not for the guard in his lap there. Unless he just drops his eye level when he shouldn’t and takes off with it.

The play is broken down completely because of eich. From a design standpoint.



305 mark on here. Pay attention to the sticks distance 3rd and 5 flat footed read. Drops indicate depth. And route combos.

3 routes basically at the sticks marks.
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OK cool, what are your thoughts on Carman on that play?
 
lynx said:
OK cool, what are your thoughts on Carman on that play?
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It’s not a great play by the tackle but it’s a flat foot read the ball needs to come out. If it does to one of his top 2 predetermined progressions Tua isn’t getting hit there. Balls out already.

One could argue Tua made the wrong predetermined primary there ie coverage id to begin with. Cause cracraft should bypass Jonnu there for what I see.

But I’m not sure he even gets to his secondary there again though should that have been the primary based on the coverage played? Maybe.

The guard in his lap and moving him off the spot is why Tua feels he needs to bail in the first place.
 
Flat footed reads are usually all about predetermined primary’s and decisions by the qb.

They give him choices ie sticks route combinations and he chooses the one he likes the most. Did Tua choose the wrong one here? Maybe.

In terms of the “primary”.

The late releasing back is his get out of jail option but he’s not expected to get to that relative to the coverage played there or the “progressions”. It’s last in other words unless he decides pre snap it’s his post primary best option and just waits for it. Which he shouldn’t but I’m just sayin.
 
hoops said:
It’s not a great play by the tackle but it’s a flat foot read the ball needs to come out. If it does to one of his top 2 predetermined progressions Tua isn’t getting hit there. Balls out already.

One could argue Tua made the wrong predetermined primary there ie coverage id to begin with. Cause cracraft should bypass Jonnu there for what I see.

But I’m not sure he even gets to his secondary there again though should that have been the primary based on the coverage played? Maybe.

The guard in his lap and moving him off the spot is why Tua feels he needs to bail in the first place.
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I mean Carman was a joke on that play but no I get it, I guess this is yet another case for "Oline is important" because in a system designed for the QB to make zero mistakes in split seconds, it is bound to have hiccups during a full game
 
lynx said:
I mean Carman was a joke on that play but no I get it, I guess this is yet another case for "Oline is important" because in a system designed for the QB to make zero mistakes in split seconds, it is bound to have hiccups during a full game
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It’s why qbs are paid as much as they are. Theres a lot of things that folks don’t realize that they in some way are at least partially responsible for from an id etc side of things.

That may have also been a non motion based set which is where I find tuas coverage ids and decision warts show up more than you’d like.
 


1015 mark this the definition of a force by the qb.

I got news for ya I’ve seen 2 picks so far and neither had anything to do with the oline. One might have been Tua expected reek to cross in front of the defenders vs behind so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but even though he’s gonna own that too. This one is ALL QB FORCE
 


1115 mark. This ball is underthrown. Great coverage by the corner but underthrown never the less.

Down 8 game on the line. You want to say you can live with that one ok I understand that.

But it’s not the olines fault.

That narrative sucks.
 
So instead of coming on here with **** that isn’t even accurate let’s come on here and break down plays. I’m down with that all day long.

Like I said there’s a reason I don’t have the same faith in Tua that I used to and it’s cause of what he’s shown me on tape.

But post any play you want and I am happy to break it down with you.

Just don’t try to sell me some bs. We will let the tape do the talking.
 
hoops said:


1115 mark. This ball is underthrown. Great coverage by the corner but underthrown never the less.

Down 8 game on the line. You want to say you can live with that one ok I understand that.

But it’s not the olines fault.

That narrative sucks.
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Funny thing is left side of the line played pretty well that game, the right side was abysmal, especially Carman.

Tua was bad in that game, no question. Josh Allen sucked in the first half of the 2023 season but I guess he's had some better games since then.
 
So I can only see a couple of those last 6 plays vs the titans. Play call got us on one where it was a basically designed screen to Achane where he didn’t get of bounds and the clock ran. Don’t like the play call there. Prior drive 3rd down tua climbs and takes off with it (he’s gonna be short of the sticks but I don’t hate it) holding on eich so it’s coming back. Last play Tua takes a sack he can’t take basically.

What a disaster of a finish.

If anybody has all 6 plays post ‘em.
 
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