***Official 2018 FIFA World Cup thread***

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  1. Kdawg954

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    One thing this World Cup showed, you better have some speed all over your attacking front. Between Mbappe and Hazard, the attacking units in England and Brazil . . . Speed and the ability to counter has easily eclipsed the need to be in possession 65% of the time aka the German way.

    There is a reason why Timo Werner NEVER came off the pitch in 3 games for Germany . . . literally the only attacking player you can say that about (and would of been the only midfielder/forward if Kroos wasn’t so vital on free kicks). And it’s not that he was anything truly special . . . .but he was vital down the wings and was easily Germany’s most dangerous player in this Cup.

    Germany was too slow out there . . .and to beat a dead horse, it was inexcusable not to put a Sane on that team, despite his pre Cup struggles. Even as a decoy, you just open up the middle so much more, and that is where the Germans are supposed to be stronger than anybody. So to compensate, you end up putting guys out of place and it just never works out.

    That German team is not that old, but they looked it on the pitch. That is one thing I will give Klinsman, he watched a ton of American Football and brought an instant offense west coast attacking mindset to the normal methodical German side and they looked as dangerous as ever for a decade . . .but in this Cup you saw none of that.

    The seasons are so long, especially for a team full of Bayern players who play literally as many games as anybody except for maybe Real Madrid.

    Loew lost this cup before it even started, not saying it is all on him but his pre cup selections and mindset at minimum cost the team a knockout round place.
     
  2. GasPed

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    I think this World Cup did put the final nail in the tiki-taka coffin. Spain, Germany, Portugal - all the possession teams were just not good enough. Defenses nowadays are just too big, athletic and smart to let the opposition triangle pass around them in their box (especially if you pack it with 10 men). Speed and athleticism (in addition to skill) are required to create and score these days. I suppose that has always been true to an extent (especially in say, the EPL), but it has been on full display in this World Cup.
     
  3. ChambersWI

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    Also those teams that rely on Tiki Taka had some generational talent in their primes. As great as some players on Spain and Germany are. They aren't in their prime Xavi, Iniesta, Xabi Alonso, Scweinny, or Lahm
     
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    In the case of Germany . . . that midfield group had as much talent as any of the other recent German teams . . . Hell maybe more. But they absolutely lacked that leader on the pitch. Schweinstager and Lahm were absolutely generational talents not only for their play but for their leadership. I’d put those 2 up with the Beckenbauers and Matthaus’ of Germans past.

    I do agree on Lahm, but Kimmich will be great . . .on that whole team I am least concerned with him. But he is not Lahm yet. Lahm reminds me of Zach Thomas . . . Top 3 at his position for a decade while he played, but people will easily forget exactly what he brought to the team because he lacked physical stature but more than made up for that with his smarts.

    And it amazes me it took them a game and a half to figure out that Timo Werner was the only 1 v 1 winning attacker option they had and then went away from it after the best stretch of futbol they played in this cup. How anybody could watch the 2nd half of the Sweden game and come to the conclusion we need more Ozil and Khedira is beyond comical. 5 changes LOL . . . Loew lost it.
     
  5. phins_4_ever

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    Who is going to watch the game for 3rd place?
    Players hate it mostly. Not as intense as the final but it is historically entertaining. In 1986 we had the last final with more than 3 goals. Since then the final has produced 10 goals in 7 games. The game for 3rd place has produced 27 goals in 7 games.
    Tomorrow two teams meet who have scored the most goals in this WC: 14 (Belgium) vs 12 (England). Two players will battle for the scorer crown: Kane 6 vs Lukaku 4

    Hopefully it will be as entertaining as the previous "little finals".
     
  6. GasPed

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    I'm finding it hard to be very interested... ...maybe I'll tape it and do the speed-watch thing...
     
  7. Kdawg954

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    Yea I am going to watch it. It’s a solid matchup that could of easily been the final with a little luck for either side.

    I remember watching the 3rd place Germany vs. Portugal back in 2006 at a outdoor festival in a small town outside of Koln. Clearly wasn’t “edge of your seat” stuff but it was a good time. It was a send off for Oliver Kahn more than anything.
     
  8. nick1

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    If France wins at least i got that right I've been on them since the round of 16 started
     
  9. Kdawg954

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    So yea . . . **** the 3rd place game for now. Rafa and Djokovic putting on a classic at Wimbledon. 8-8 in the 5th with high quality.
     
  10. Kdawg954

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    Ok its over . . . epic stuff. Djokovic is back.

    Back to the most meaningless game in all of sports LOL
     
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    4th place is coming home. That's what we've all meant this last few weeks. Honest!!
     
  12. nick1

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    I thought i heard the final was today. I was waiting for it now i find out its tomorrow
     
  13. Kdawg954

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    Yea that was a boring game. Glad i only watched the 2nd half.

    France is clearly the better and more talented side but we'll see if that gritty Croatian team can control the midfield and get a few chances.

    Mbappe will be hell on wheels for their defensive line which again stresses Croatian midfield dominance to have a shot.

    I say 3-1 France
     
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    I agree - France just has so much talent throughout the entire lineup. And while Modric and Rakitic are elite midfielders, I don't see how they can dominate (and they'll need to) Pogba and Kante, who are similarly excellent (though more economical and more direct). Mbappe is a gamebreaker - no one (including Croatia) has an answer for him. 2-1 France.
     
  15. phins_4_ever

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    I have no favorite in this game. Looking forward to a great final. I am more sad that I have to wait another 4 years. Who knows I may not be alive anymore. :sorry
     
  16. phins_4_ever

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    Here is a great question for the final:
    what was the first World Cup you remember and/or watched? Where were you?
     
  17. phins_4_ever

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    Nice when the refs begin to decide games. That was never ever a foul on Grease-Man. He should have been carded for a dive.
     
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    I’m only 36 so for me the last one I remember was 1990 when I was 8. i was also in youth soccer here in North Lauderdale and plus Germany won, so memories stick with me from that time.

    Hell I really only got into team sports watching starting around 1988 with the Dolphins, Canes and the Mets . . .plus eventually the Bulls with MJ. Switched from the Mets to the Marlins in 1993 and became a US soccer fan in 1994. Also the Florida Panthers around that time. After MJ left in 1998 I kind of waivered away from NBA but I became a Heat fan in 2003 when they drafted Wade as I enjoyed watching him in college.

    I did enjoy Tennis when I was young, with Becker and Graf out there. Still love tennis and even golf, before and after Woods even. Also watched a lot of Olympics
     
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  19. Kdawg954

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    What a strike from Perisic!
     
  20. Kdawg954

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    Croatia had to of seen something on tape with France and space between the legs of players. They have gone for the nutmeg about a dozen times (with good success) in this game that is only 30 minutes old.
     
  21. uk_dolfan

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    United have been linked to Perisic for years, Inter refused to sell him last year. I have never been convinced, but he has had a good world cup
     
  22. Kdawg954

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    **** man . . . .Croatia shooting themselves in the foot.

    Need to let this handball slide due to that dive earlier.
     
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    **** var. absurd stoppages in the middle of the damn world cup final
     
  24. Kdawg954

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    Croatia has clearly been the better side this half, and yet down 2-1 off a dive and a unfortunate handball.

    ****ing soccer sometimes man
     
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    He’s quality.

    He is like a younger Frank Ribery. The problem with that comparison is once the speed goes down, as he ages, he has limited tricks for an attacking winger and becomes much more predictable . . . Hell as good as he has been this Cup, you see some of that predictability and it will only show more glaring as he crosses over the wrong side of 30.
     
  26. phins_4_ever

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    Awesome. I started in 1970 at the tender age of 6. My dad just signed me up for the next season on the youth level of one of our soccer clubs in Berlin (6-8 year olds) and I was really excited. Though some of the games were late at night when Germany played I was allowed to stay up late. I felt like a big boy among my parents and our neighbors who came over. Dam, chips and soda at midnight. :laugh
    I also realized that I was exposed to three historical facts that WC which I realized much later. Much much later. I watched the German revenge on England for the Wembley goal in 1966 and in Germany we said that we started the England curse for the 1966 Wembley goal. We kicked the defending Champion out and England never sniffed a final again. The second historical fact was the game of the century. A loss to Italy in the semis. That game was considered the game of the 20th century for many years and decades to come. And I saw Pele in one game - the final against Italy. Technically I lost interest after the 3rd place game but my dad told me that I should watch the final so I get to see the greatest player ever.
     
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    I have seen much worse handballs not being called. The problem is that despite video it comes down to what the ref feels. And if you can review stuff like that you might as well review close fouls near the penalty box. I think in this WC nearly 50% of the goals came from standards like free kicks and corners.

    Croatia was much better in the first half but they left too many chances on the field. I wonder if they can hold that tempo they are playing. If they don't score quickly......
     
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    LOL at the World Cup right now.
     
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    Geez..now fans are stopping a Croatia counter attack....
     
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    As expected...Croatia is too tired to come back in time. This game is over. Thanks ref.
     
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    France may get 4 or 5 now
     
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    [​IMG]

    This was my introduction to soccer.
     
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    :laugh
     
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    They are already at 4.
     
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    It must be said . . . .the Croatian keeper has been dreadful.

    He has guessed wrong, he has been slow, he has been on the wrong foot every single goal. Not saying these are easy shots to save but he has not been close.
     
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    WTF was that?
    Idiot goalkeeper. Wanted to be Neuer.
     
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    An invitation to keep watching lol
     
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    Can you just imagine if that would be a turning point in the game. :laugh
    They'll crucify him in France. :roflmao
     
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    Going to be the first time since 86 the losing team scores multiple goals in a WC final.
     
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    And he has had a really good World Cup . . . But good lord he could never walk the streets of Paris again.
     

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