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So i was having a discussion with a buddy of mine on wether teams with lower draft picks should trade for a proven player or take their chances drafting a player of the same position of need. In our case it would be WR since everyone here knows its a major need. So i did some research and pulled up every WR taken in the 1st/2nd rd. From what i found, imo less then 15% of the WR taken in the 1st rd were worth it, or ended up being true #1s. The 2nd rd had a lot more WR producing for their teams, and a lot of the players either got cut, or are no longer with the team for what ever reason.


1998 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
16
Kevin Dyson
WR
Utah
Tennessee Oilers
1
21
Randy Moss
WR
Marshall
Minnesota Vikings
1
30
Marcus Nash
WR
Tennessee
Denver Broncos
2
32
Jerome Pathon
WR
Washington
Indianapolis Colts
2
34
Jacquez Green
WR
Florida
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2
42
Pat Johnson
WR
Oregon
Baltimore Ravens
2
50
Germane Crowell
WR
Virginia
Detroit Lions
2
52
Tony Simmons
WR
Wisconsin
New England Patriots
2
55
Joe Jurevicius
WR
Penn State
New York Giants
2
59
Mikhael Ricks
WR
Stephen F. Austin St.
San Diego Chargers

1999 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
6
Torry Holt
WR
North Carolina State
St. Louis Rams
1
8
David Boston
WR
Ohio State
Arizona Cardinals
1
13
Troy Edwards
WR
Louisiana Tech
Pittsburgh Steelers
2
32
Kevin Johnson
WR
Syracuse
Cleveland Browns
2
53
Peerless Price
WR
Tennessee
Buffalo Bills


2000 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
4
Peter Warrick
WR
Florida State
Cincinnati Bengals
1
8
Plaxico Burress
WR
Michigan State
Pittsburgh Steelers
1
10
Travis Taylor
WR
Florida
Baltimore Ravens
1
21
Sylvester Morris
WR
Jackson State
Kansas City Chiefs
1
29
R.Jay Soward
WR
USC
Jacksonville Jaguars
2
32
Dennis Northcutt
WR
Arizona
Cleveland Browns
2
36
Todd Pinkston
WR
Southern Mississippi
Philadelphia Eagles
2
47
Jerry Porter
WR
West Virginia
Oakland Raiders

2001 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
8
David Terrell
WR
Michigan
Chicago Bears
1
9
Koren Robinson
WR
North Carolina State
Seattle Seahawks
1
15
Rod Gardner
WR
Clemson
Washington Redskins
1
16
Santana Moss
WR
Miami (Fla.)
New York Jets
1
25
Freddie Mitchell
WR
UCLA
Philadelphia Eagles
1
30
Reggie Wayne
WR
Miami (Fla.)
Indianapolis Colts
2
33
Quincy Morgan
WR
Kansas State
Cleveland Browns
2
36
Chad Johnson
WR
Oregon State
Cincinnati Bengals
2
41
Robert Ferguson
WR
Texas A&M
Green Bay Packers
2
52
Chris Chambers
WR
Wisconsin
Miami Dolphins


2002 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
13
Donte' Stallworth
WR
Tennessee
New Orleans Saints
1
19
Ashley Lelie
WR
Hawaii
Denver Broncos
1
20
Javon Walker
WR
Florida State
Green Bay Packers
2
33
Jabar Gaffney
WR
Florida
Houston Texans
2
36
Josh Reed
WR
Louisiana State
Buffalo Bills
2
46
Tim Carter
WR
Auburn
New York Giants
2
47
Andre Davis
WR
Virginia Tech
Cleveland Browns
2
48
Reche Caldwell
WR
Florida
San Diego Chargers
2
62
Antwaan Randle El
WR
Indiana
Pittsburgh Steelers
2
63
Antonio Bryant
WR
Pittsburgh
Dallas Cowboys
2
65
Deion Branch
WR
Louisville
New England Patriots


2003 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
2
Charles Rogers
WR
Michigan State
Detroit Lions
1
3
Andre Johnson
WR
Miami (Fla.)
Houston Texans
1
17
Bryant Johnson
WR
Penn State
Arizona Cardinals
2
44
Taylor Jacobs
WR
Florida
Washington Redskins
2
45
Bethel Johnson
WR
Texas A&M
New England Patriots
2
54
Anquan Boldin
WR
Florida State
Arizona Cardinals
2
60
Tyrone Calico
WR
Middle Tennessee State
Tennessee Titans

2004 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
3
Larry Fitzgerald
WR
Pittsburgh
Arizona Cardinals
1
7
Roy Williams
WR
Texas
Detroit Lions
1
9
Reggie Williams
WR
Washington
Jacksonville Jaguars
1
13
Lee Evans
WR
Wisconsin
Buffalo Bills
1
15
Michael Clayton
WR
Louisiana State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1
29
Michael Jenkins
WR
Ohio State
Atlanta Falcons
1
31
Rashaun Woods
WR
Oklahoma State
San Francisco 49ers
2
50
Devery Henderson
WR
Louisiana State
New Orleans Saints
2
54
Darius Watts
WR
Marshall
Denver Broncos
2
62
Keary Colbert
WR
USC
Carolina Panthers


2005 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
3
Braylon Edwards
WR
Michigan
Cleveland Browns
1
7
Troy Williamson
WR
South Carolina
Minnesota Vikings
1
10
Mike Williams
WR
USC
Detroit Lions
1
21
Matt Jones
WR
Arkansas
Jacksonville Jaguars
1
22
Mark Clayton
WR
Oklahoma
Baltimore Ravens
1
27
Roddy White
WR
Alabama-Birmingham
Atlanta Falcons
2
35
Reggie Brown
WR
Georgia
Philadelphia Eagles
2
39
Mark Bradley
WR
Oklahoma
Chicago Bears
2
55
Roscoe Parrish
WR
Miami (Fla.)
Buffalo Bills
2
58
Terrence Murphy
WR
Texas A&M
Green Bay Packers
2
61
Vincent Jackson
WR
Northern Colorado
San Diego Chargers


2006 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
25
Santonio Holmes
WR
Ohio State
Pittsburgh Steelers
2
36
Chad Jackson
WR
Florida
New England Patriots
2
44
Sinorice Moss
WR
Miami (Fla.)
New York Giants
2
52
Greg Jennings
WR
Western Michigan
Green Bay Packers


2007 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
1
2
Calvin Johnson
WR
Georgia Tech
Detroit Lions
1
9
Ted Ginn Jr.
WR
Ohio State
Miami Dolphins
1
23
Dwayne Bowe
WR
Louisiana State
Kansas City Chiefs
1
27
Robert Meachem
WR
Tennessee
New Orleans Saints
1
30
Craig Davis
WR
Louisiana State
San Diego Chargers
1
32
Anthony Gonzalez
WR
Ohio State
Indianapolis Colts
2
44
Sidney Rice
WR
South Carolina
Minnesota Vikings
2
45
Dwayne Jarrett
WR
USC
Carolina Panthers
2
51
Steve Smith
WR
USC
New York Giants


2008 - WR
Rd
Sel #
Player
Position
School
Team
2
33
Donnie Avery
WR
Houston
St. Louis Rams
2
34
Devin Thomas
WR
Michigan State
Washington Redskins
2
36
Jordy Nelson
WR
Kansas State
Green Bay Packers
2
41
James Hardy
WR
Indiana
Buffalo Bills
2
42
Eddie Royal
WR
Virginia Tech
Denver Broncos
2
46
Jerome Simpson
WR
Coastal Carolina
Cincinnati Bengals
2
49
DeSean Jackson
WR
California
Philadelphia Eagles
2
51
Malcolm Kelly
WR
Oklahoma
Washington Redskins
2
53
Limas Sweed
WR
Texas
Pittsburgh Steelers
2
58
Dexter Jackson
WR
Appalachian State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Results
YEAR
ROUND
PK(OVR)
TEAM
NAME
POSITION
SCHOOL
2009
1
7(7)
Raiders
Darrius Heyward-Bey
WR
Maryland
2009
1
10(10)
49ers
Michael Crabtree
WR
Texas Tech
2009
1
19(19)
Eagles
Jeremy Maclin
WR
Missouri
2009
1
22(22)
Vikings
Percy Harvin
WR
Florida
2009
1
29(29)
Giants
Hakeem Nicks
WR
North Carolina
2009
1
30(30)
Titans
Kenny Britt
WR
Rutgers
Results
YEAR
ROUND
PK(OVR)
TEAM
NAME
POSITION
SCHOOL
2009
2
4(36)
Browns
Brian Robiskie
WR
Ohio State
2009
2
18(50)
Browns
Mohamed Massaquoi
WR
Georgia


To be 100% honest, the best WRs were taken in rd 2. Most of the 1st WRs were bust. Very few are either still playing in the NFL, or True #1s that everyone covets. I know its hard to let a 1st pick go, but think about just the Dolphins WRs, Bess and Camarillo were UNDRAFTED!! Hartline was a 4th rd pick, and Ginn of course was a 1st and a BUST!!! Bro there is no reason to even consider this. if we have a low pick in the 1st rd, and there is no one we want badly i say swing a trade for a stud #1.....without a doubt.
 
Well in a uncapped year honestly the only way we will pick up a stud WR is a trade. That said I don't see this FO doing that, so we will most likely sign a vet that a team lets go. Which isn't a bad thing if we can get 2-3yrs of production out of a guy like Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Chris Chambers then it is better then what we have. Plus it will help develop Henne and increase BEss, Cam and HArtline getting open.
 
ya i highly doubt we will be making any trades, but i was just curious as to what people think. is it worst to take a risk on a unproven rookie who could have had an amazing college carrer, but mount to Ted "downy" Ginn, or a proven NFL starting WR who might be in his mid 20's and still full of potential. I mean i would obviously like to make a trade for a b.marshall, or v.jackson opposed to risking another bust and setting us back another yr or so. regardless of what we want or think Ginn is on this team and will be until we trade him, or his contract is up. unless like mentioned above, we go into the uncapped yr where releasing a Ginny wont hurt the team as much. I was also thinking of the possiblities of trading Ginn and a lower pick such as 3/4th for a vet like S.Moss or S.Smith. A team looking to rebuild and a vet who wants no part of a team rebuilding such as the Redskins, Browns, Bills, Bucs, ect...we can use some of their vet WRs who might be looking for a fresh start on a team with more of a chance to make the playoffs and compete for a supber bowl...who knows...
 
gdiaz0358 said:
ya i highly doubt we will be making any trades, but i was just curious as to what people think. is it worst to take a risk on a unproven rookie who could have had an amazing college carrer, but mount to Ted "downy" Ginn, or a proven NFL starting WR who might be in his mid 20's and still full of potential. I mean i would obviously like to make a trade for a b.marshall, or v.jackson opposed to risking another bust and setting us back another yr or so. regardless of what we want or think Ginn is on this team and will be until we trade him, or his contract is up. unless like mentioned above, we go into the uncapped yr where releasing a Ginny wont hurt the team as much. I was also thinking of the possiblities of trading Ginn and a lower pick such as 3/4th for a vet like S.Moss or S.Smith. A team looking to rebuild and a vet who wants no part of a team rebuilding such as the Redskins, Browns, Bills, Bucs, ect...we can use some of their vet WRs who might be looking for a fresh start on a team with more of a chance to make the playoffs and compete for a supber bowl...who knows...
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Well Lee Evans can become a free agent if Buffalo doesn't protect him. Really in this draft there are no receivers worth a first round pick.

Benn- Has one TD this year and if he can't get open and score against Indiana, North Western, Purdue, Mich St etc I just don't see how he will do it in the NFL.

Bryant- We this was suppose to be the year he put it together and showed he was beyond the drop problem. Before his suspension his numbers were down and his drops were up. Besides I think the bad decision surrounding dinner with Deion raises serious concerns. I know first hand how much coaches and compliance cordinators stress the NCAA rules, they also stress if you have any doubt don't do it or ask us.

Gilyard- Could very well be our DeShawn Jackson, but once again I think our FO just won't draft a WR that high. Which is a shame because this kid really is a explosive threat to score from any where on the field. No to mention he is put together better Jackson or Ginn.

Studying Parcell's draft history I really think WR is a position that leaves a bitter taste in Dolphin fans mouthes!
 
It's very risky trading a high pick for what looks like a sure-playmaker.

Ask Cowboy fans how they feel about giving up a 1st and a 3rd for Roy E. Williams.
 
I've always been a proponent of trading a high draft pick for a proven playmaker. Draft picks are just too risky when you know you can get the same position of need filled with an NFL stud. I'd trade our 1st and 3rd for Boldin, Marshall, or Jackson. I just don't understand why draft picks are so coveted. Of course we don't want to trade away our whole draft and we need to develop young players, but I'm talking about one big move by our front office every 3-4 years. When was the last BIG move this franchise made? I hope we do it this offseason.
 
Well, due to the fact that MIA is going to need to draft Porter's replacement, I think that our 1st round pick will be spoken for, so to speak...

NOt to mention Gibril Wilson was a bust at FS and we need a quicker ILB to replace Akin Ayodele

And all that is assuming we are able to find a NT, TE, and WR via FA. Damn, keeps looking like we're still 2 years away!!! AAAaaaaahhhhh!!! Hopefully, we get lucky this offseason.
 
Look at the impact of these proven "big time" receivers being traded to new teams. The success rate isn't that high and the team that get the picks usually ends up ahead. Keep the picks and build through the draft, if we can sign a free agent upgrade without giving up the picks go for it. Those lost picks always hurt more in the long run.
 
Mozark_Finfan said:
Look at the impact of these proven "big time" receivers being traded to new teams. The success rate isn't that high and the team that get the picks usually ends up ahead. Keep the picks and build through the draft, if we can sign a free agent upgrade without giving up the picks go for it. Those lost picks always hurt more in the long run.
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Yeah, thinking like that would've kept Bilicheat from aquire Moss though...you can't stay close minded. You must know when to "risk" and take a chance. Marshall is worth it, if you ask me...
 
Randy Moss, a future HOFer was traded for a 4th round pick, not a 1st and 3rd rounder. So, totally different than multiple first day picks for a "good" receiver. We still have plenty of holes that need to be addressed, so those picks are crucial for our future. I would always be pretty conservative about giving them up for one "diva" receiver.
 
Mozark_Finfan said:
Randy Moss, a future HOFer was traded for a 4th round pick, not a 1st and 3rd rounder. So, totally different than multiple first day picks for a "good" receiver. We still have plenty of holes that need to be addressed, so those picks are crucial for our future. I would always be pretty conservative about giving them up for one "diva" receiver.
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You didn't mention which pick. I was refering to your statement about "big time recievers being traded....the teams with the picks ends up on top.." that's all.
 
Well guys obviously there are both pros and cons to trading to acquire a play maker. I for one don't think it will happen, if it were to happen it would have happened on draft day when Arizona dropped their demand for Boldin down to a second rd pick. Parcells has a long documented history of not making trades and not bringing in play makers, and honestly this is starting to concern me. I think this is a main reason he has had very little post season success since the free agency salary cap era. This team needs a home run hitter, I don't care how we get it as long as we get it. However I have my doubts we will, I hope I am wrong!
 
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