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Regardless of whose the Coach, GM or QB. One thing we can all agree on is that the offensive line needs to be addressed/fixed. Who are free agents that you like, draft prospects, and guys on the roster who you think deserve a chance to stay and improve?

Current guys: Hunt, Eichenberg and Deiter for me are only players I can see having any type of role if we are gonna Fix the line and ideally Eichenberg is more of a swing tackle plug and play backup. Hunt is the only legit unquestioned starting lineman. Deiter showed enough promise to let him try and continue to develop, but certainly not opposed to upgrading him.

So for me the biggest need is getting some experienced players at the tackle positions. And at least 1 starting caliber guard. Some free agent tackles: Terron Armstead, Cam Robinson, Orlando Brown Jr, Charles Leno Jr, Duane Brown, Trenton Brown. Cam Robinson and Orlando brown are young, going to be expensive, and honestly have not been particularly good. Armstead has had injury concerns and is getting older but he’s probably top tackle, Duane Brown very good but older player too I’m targeting Duane Brown or Armstead to be the left tackle, give them a big deal and hope Eichenberg can learn behind them for a few years and take over eventually.

For Guard there are some good young options and I’m really trying to get one of: Connor Williams, Alex Cappa, Brandon Scherff. Connor Williams would be my preference he’s super young, and an ascending player. So we go 1 big Fish old Tackle, to go with 1 young ascending guard prospect.

Finally in the draft, I haven’t got a chance to really dive into them too deep yet. Ikem Okwonu and Evan Neal seem to be top guys we won’t have a shot. Charles Cross, Kenyon Green and Nicholas Petit-Frere seem to be guys in our range in the first. Don’t like that value on project type prospects. Some interior guys I do like Tyler Linderbaum the popular name, Alec Lindstrom in the middle rounds. Overall I think I prefer getting a guy in middle round and addressing WR and LB early.

So something like Duane Brown/Terron Amrstead, Connor Williams, Michael Deiter, Robert Hunt, Liam Eichenberg. Ideally I’d like to bring in another RT to compete with Eichenberg and let him sit and learn left tackle.

Thoughts?
 
A dude as big as Soloman Kindley… and you telling me he cant play guard better than austin jackson? I dont believe that… just by standing there alone he better than Austin Jackson.

I agree tho, plug some of those holes and we become a much better offense.
 
Not sold on Dieter. I wouldn‘t say he’s improved the quality of play over street free agents since he returned. Obviously we can’t cut bait on Eichenberg yet. But moving him inside to be replaced by a better tackle seems as idiotic as moving Austin Jackson inside. Hunt is the only guy who looks like he could be a part of an improved offensive line in 2022.
 
Yes. I love how ppl keep saying qb has to be fixed but seem to mainly focus on that. This offense has needed an overhaul forever and will be limited as far as how far they'd ever go in the playoffs even if miami got a top qb. Teams that go to the superbowl don't just have franchise qbs, but a good offense with, good or solid o line, not just one great or good wr but a core of good wrs, a good ground game. A great qb will be outmatched if he doesn't have the talent around him, as he'll be playing against another team that has a great qb BUT that team and qb have better offensive players
 
Swollcolb said:
Regardless of whose the Coach, GM or QB. One thing we can all agree on is that the offensive line needs to be addressed/fixed. Who are free agents that you like, draft prospects, and guys on the roster who you think deserve a chance to stay and improve?

Current guys: Hunt, Eichenberg and Deiter for me are only players I can see having any type of role if we are gonna Fix the line and ideally Eichenberg is more of a swing tackle plug and play backup. Hunt is the only legit unquestioned starting lineman. Deiter showed enough promise to let him try and continue to develop, but certainly not opposed to upgrading him.

So for me the biggest need is getting some experienced players at the tackle positions. And at least 1 starting caliber guard. Some free agent tackles: Terron Armstead, Cam Robinson, Orlando Brown Jr, Charles Leno Jr, Duane Brown, Trenton Brown. Cam Robinson and Orlando brown are young, going to be expensive, and honestly have not been particularly good. Armstead has had injury concerns and is getting older but he’s probably top tackle, Duane Brown very good but older player too I’m targeting Duane Brown or Armstead to be the left tackle, give them a big deal and hope Eichenberg can learn behind them for a few years and take over eventually.

For Guard there are some good young options and I’m really trying to get one of: Connor Williams, Alex Cappa, Brandon Scherff. Connor Williams would be my preference he’s super young, and an ascending player. So we go 1 big Fish old Tackle, to go with 1 young ascending guard prospect.

Finally in the draft, I haven’t got a chance to really dive into them too deep yet. Ikem Okwonu and Evan Neal seem to be top guys we won’t have a shot. Charles Cross, Kenyon Green and Nicholas Petit-Frere seem to be guys in our range in the first. Don’t like that value on project type prospects. Some interior guys I do like Tyler Linderbaum the popular name, Alec Lindstrom in the middle rounds. Overall I think I prefer getting a guy in middle round and addressing WR and LB early.

So something like Duane Brown/Terron Amrstead, Connor Williams, Michael Deiter, Robert Hunt, Liam Eichenberg. Ideally I’d like to bring in another RT to compete with Eichenberg and let him sit and learn left tackle.

Thoughts?
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I'll give two qualifications. One obvious, one not so much.
Obvious - not all OL FAs will hit the market. No sense wasting time hoping for the nonexistent.
Not so obvious - based on Grier/Flo to date, I think it's reasonable to eliminate any elite guys, at any position, as targets. I suspect targets for starters will be average to a little above. Of course, for OL, that's a BIG improvement
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I'll give two qualifications. One obvious, one not so much.
Obvious - not all OL FAs will hit the market. No sense wasting time hoping for the nonexistent.
Not so obvious - based on Grier/Flo to date, I think it's reasonable to eliminate any elite guys, at any position, as targets. I suspect targets for starters will be average to a little above. Of course, for OL, that's a BIG improvement
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Yes I agree, I’m not hopeful Miami will make the right decision I could just see them throwing a boatload of money at Cam Robinson or Orlando Brown and saying look we fixed the OL with a young ascending player. Even though that’s really not the case.

Armstead and Brown are both aging veterans but at least when they play they are elite, we have Eichenberg, who playing behind an elite LT, learning the position, gaining strength and technique and easing him into LT gives us a developmental structure and injury depth at the spot. Which is why I like that thought process.

I’m not sold on Deiter either, I would definitely like to replace him but I don’t think it’s as drastic as getting 2 tackles and 1 guard. I’d be interested to see how Deiter plays with 2 reliable guards next to him.
 
I find it hard to believe some of these players would not be good. I think it all starts with coaching. Get a real line coach.
 
Whose decision was it to pay Flowers to play somewhere else? Fire that guy.
 
Delvin said:
Whose decision was it to pay Flowers to play somewhere else? Fire that guy.
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So they could move Hunt inside, while we didn't have another tackle on the roster. Somethings are so indefensible that there's no bullshit that can be said to hide the stupid.
 
For a left handed QB you need a stout RT. Why pay big dollars for a front side tackle? Davis is the single biggest failure on the OL. Jackson is not good, maybe with a year of off season work he competes for a role. Dieter needs to be challenged.
 
BobDole said:
So they could move Hunt inside, while we didn't have another tackle on the roster. Somethings are so indefensible that there's no bullshit that can be said to hide the stupid.
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That's the reason i don't see what that guy has to say, the I button is a wonderful thing
 
finbeerfan said:
I find it hard to believe some of these players would not be good. I think it all starts with coaching. Get a real line coach.
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Yes, IMO that is the biggest issue.

The technique, "sets", Footwork are all very poor. That is failure in coaching. If it were one or two guys that would be one thing, but it is almost everyone, including depth guys.
 
Delvin said:
Whose decision was it to pay Flowers to play somewhere else? Fire that guy.
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That was a pretty pi$$ poor decision, baffling in fact.

I'm sure, going into the season, they felt Kindley and Hunt were going to lock down the interior, but Flowers was such cheap insurance (considering we saved very little in cap $) by trading him. He would at a minimum have been a competent, reliable starter or great depth.

Made no sense as far as I have ever seen.
 
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