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I don't want create a controversy here, because all this guy know much more and more football than me (an european dolfan who watch football game on tv), so I have faith in them.

but I don't understand all of their move and I'am not agree with all they made.

I like :

porter signing,
carter realease (time to let's roth play)
schlesinger signing (I imagine how this guy will help ronnie and ricky)
2eme rounder for welker
our OL cleaning house,
our OL built in draft philosophy,

I dislike :

-minor departure, this guy was nothing special but he could have help us in running game in insurance policy and on special team return.

mc mickael departure, don't tell me that martin is a better TE, it's not right !
(IMO only for sure)

our wanting trent green approach, I would have go after carr hard, and draft stanton or edwards, imagine a QB depht chart of culp, carr and stanton or edwards to grrom, bye bye lemon for a later draft pick in this case.

I don't understand the cameron worrell signing too.

it's the end of my analysis FO move so far, could you give me your opinion.

GO DOLPHINS GO :)
 
I do like the way they are cleaning house but i don't like the talk of Zach Thomas being traded to Denver. He's the leader of our defense and he's given nothing but his all to this organization.
 
Well, Minor was nothing special, although a decent STer. Nice guy, but just never was able to do the things he was drafted for.

Worrell is a STs maven. He's the best STer on the team right now...He is an ok DB, but really hasn't distinguished himself there.

Cam-Mul has to do something in the QB department in case CPep can't physically get back to where he was or totally falls on his face in Cam's offense. The arguments go back and forth as to CPep's worth, but the fact is we don't really know yet. With Green, you get a QB that can come in and start if needed and can tutor the rest of the guys on the offense, although in basic scheme it won't change much. Another school of thought is getting Carr. Carr is a WCO guy, much like Feeley and Joey were. He is capable, IMHO, but needs time to switch to our offense. He also could step in and start. Of course, we all think that we need a young gun to groom. As to the CPep dilemma, that all depends on whether the veteran guy is Carr or Green. IMO, if Carr is signed, that makes it more likely that CPep will be gone. Carr likely will not accept a contract like Green that would pay him a backup salary with escalators if he ends up starting...I don't think they go into the season knowing they are going to pay both guys starting salaries. Green, on the other hand, has already agreed to a contract (in principle) that would pay him starters salary only if he actually starts. The real factor is whether or not we get a Quinn or Stanton in the draft or one of the lower guys that would need more time before they could step in...

I'm not sure about the RM move either, but I don't have a problem with dumping him since he certainly was not the elite TE that we thought he'd be. Whether that was because of the offense, the QBs being so poor, or whatever he was very inconsistent and thought of himself as a Winslow/Shockey/Gonzalez type but played more like....well, Martin...I'll give them a flyer on that move until we see how it pans out...

Its really a crap shoot until we get close to TC. Right now, personnel moves are not done. It's like looking at a painting and half the canvas is still blank. What is holding up the Green or Carr moves ?? Maybe they aren't so down on CPep like everyone on this board is ?? What about OL, building thru the draft is fine, but just for depth during the season we'll have to spend about 4 picks on OL ?? And then there's the uncertainty of the draft. I'm sure they have in mind who they want, but will those guys actually be there when we pick...for example if Quinn drops to 7 (Minny) it would probably mean Cleveland would be looking for a QB...well, in that case...bye bye Stanton...

The next several weeks are going to be fun..there will be a lot of bantering back and forth on this fan forum as to who we should take, who we shouldn't and who is and isn't going to be there at our slots....enjoy it for now...worry after the draft perhaps...
 
Yea, I kind of scratch my head when it comes to Green, yes he is old, and who knows what kind of Green we would get, and not to mention the compensation for him. But I feel that Cam wants this guy because just like every dolphin fan knows he is familiar with Cams system. With that said that means that we are not in a rebuilding mode at all, Cam and Mueller probably feels that we can compete come September. And thats what been keeping me pumped up through this off season. In their eyes Qb play is the weak link for the dolphins. And thats why we keep hearing Green and Carr to come in and compete and also the draft.
Now with Minor I didn't feel that he was that all special, I was more worried about losing Morris.
Mcmike- it was just time. Although he had stats to back up his popularity here I felt that he was nothing special the last 2 years I've seen him. IMO he has hit his potential. Time to move on.
OL- next to the qb weak link this was second. Now I have no idea why they weren't more aggesive during the FA period but maybe come draft time we will have the answer. And dont forget June 1st cuts.
 
fastball83 said:
I don't want create a controversy here, because all this guy know much more and more football than me (an european dolfan who watch football game on tv), so I have faith in them.

but I don't understand all of their move and I'am not agree with all they made.

I like :

porter signing,
carter realease (time to let's roth play)
schlesinger signing (I imagine how this guy will help ronnie and ricky)
2eme rounder for welker
our OL cleaning house,
our OL built in draft philosophy,

I dislike :

-minor departure, this guy was nothing special but he could have help us in running game in insurance policy and on special team return.

mc mickael departure, don't tell me that martin is a better TE, it's not right !
(IMO only for sure)

our wanting trent green approach, I would have go after carr hard, and draft stanton or edwards, imagine a QB depht chart of culp, carr and stanton or edwards to grrom, bye bye lemon for a later draft pick in this case.

I don't understand the cameron worrell signing too.

it's the end of my analysis FO move so far, could you give me your opinion.

GO DOLPHINS GO :)
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Minor, good special team player, not much of a running back. I think Cam believes he can get somebody in that spot that is just as good at ST and a better running back.

Randy, I think there may have been a couple more things that his inconsistancy. You have to look back over that past couple seasons and just see that he has complained about being used to block too much, he's been arrested a number of times for beating his wife. He was making some big LOOT. I like Randy as a player a lot though because it always seemed when he got the ball short of the sticks he found a way to make it there. That is something special about a player, and I really liked that about him. Overall though it was time for him to go.

Green, I guess this all really depends on what they have planned for the draft. If we are going to use a high pick on a QB then its a good idea to get Green in here since he already knows the system to help the rookie QB come along and get a pretty solid starter in here for a year or so. If they plan on taking a QB late in the draft I would much rather have Carr just in care that late pick doesn't pan out we still have a young capable QB in the game.

Just my take on these guys.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Well, Minor was nothing special, although a decent STer. Nice guy, but just never was able to do the things he was drafted for.

Worrell is a STs maven. He's the best STer on the team right now...He is an ok DB, but really hasn't distinguished himself there.

Cam-Mul has to do something in the QB department in case CPep can't physically get back to where he was or totally falls on his face in Cam's offense. The arguments go back and forth as to CPep's worth, but the fact is we don't really know yet. With Green, you get a QB that can come in and start if needed and can tutor the rest of the guys on the offense, although in basic scheme it won't change much. Another school of thought is getting Carr. Carr is a WCO guy, much like Feeley and Joey were. He is capable, IMHO, but needs time to switch to our offense. He also could step in and start. Of course, we all think that we need a young gun to groom. As to the CPep dilemma, that all depends on whether the veteran guy is Carr or Green. IMO, if Carr is signed, that makes it more likely that CPep will be gone. Carr likely will not accept a contract like Green that would pay him a backup salary with escalators if he ends up starting...I don't think they go into the season knowing they are going to pay both guys starting salaries. Green, on the other hand, has already agreed to a contract (in principle) that would pay him starters salary only if he actually starts. The real factor is whether or not we get a Quinn or Stanton in the draft or one of the lower guys that would need more time before they could step in...

I'm not sure about the RM move either, but I don't have a problem with dumping him since he certainly was not the elite TE that we thought he'd be. Whether that was because of the offense, the QBs being so poor, or whatever he was very inconsistent and thought of himself as a Winslow/Shockey/Gonzalez type but played more like....well, Martin...I'll give them a flyer on that move until we see how it pans out...

Its really a crap shoot until we get close to TC. Right now, personnel moves are not done. It's like looking at a painting and half the canvas is still blank. What is holding up the Green or Carr moves ?? Maybe they aren't so down on CPep like everyone on this board is ?? What about OL, building thru the draft is fine, but just for depth during the season we'll have to spend about 4 picks on OL ?? And then there's the uncertainty of the draft. I'm sure they have in mind who they want, but will those guys actually be there when we pick...for example if Quinn drops to 7 (Minny) it would probably mean Cleveland would be looking for a QB...well, in that case...bye bye Stanton...

The next several weeks are going to be fun..there will be a lot of bantering back and forth on this fan forum as to who we should take, who we shouldn't and who is and isn't going to be there at our slots....enjoy it for now...worry after the draft perhaps...
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Actually, Carr is NOT a WCO guy. He is a vertical offense guy. That is what he ran so well at Fresno St. That is also why the Texans let him go. Kubiak's offense is a WCO variation, and Carr is not suited for it. Matt Schaub is the perfect WCO guy, that's why the Texans went with him.
 
If we don't fill our needs in the draft then maybe, just maybe, there will be someone available after June 1st.
 
Likes
Porter signing
Carter release
Holiday re-sign
Schlesinger signing
Welker trade
Offering a 7th round pick for Trent Green

Dislike
Jeno James release
not re-signing either morris or minor one.

no opinion (yet)
McMichael release and David Martin signing
OL cleaning house
Cameron Worrell signing
Feeley signing and future departure of Mare
 
I'll let Cam answer this for you, and I agree.

"I'm always going to be respectful to the player. But sometimes, when you let somebody go your team just got better. That's not the perception. One person left so everybody just kind of assumes, 'Well, the team just got worse.' That's not necessarily the case. Where we make decisions, whether we add someone or subtract someone, in our mind that decision is helping us win and we feel like we just got better. It's hard, I know, sometimes for you guys to look at it that way. But that's how we look at it." — Dolphins coach Cam Cameron when asked about the off-season exodus of offensive players such as tight end Randy McMichael, left tackle Damion McIntosh and left guard Jeno James from the team's 2006 roster.
 
If nothing else, it sure has been interesting so far.

I Like:

Mueller handling personnel matters
Handling of the salary cap
porter signing,
carter release (Youth movement)
schlesinger signing (true fullback)
2 draft picks for welker
our OL shake up,
Getting rid of Minor, good special teams player but that was not what he was originally signed for and he served no other purpose.

I Don't Like:

Getting rid of McMichaels although it was obviously a salary cap move
Not being able to get compensation in return for McMichaels
Contract given to Porter a bit excessive


I am Neutral On:

Mare situation depending on how Feely does and if they get compensation for Mare.
Their handling of the draft is yet to be seen. A black cloud has hung over the Dolphins draft for how many years?
 
NJFINSFAN1 said:
I'll let Cam answer this for you, and I agree.

"I'm always going to be respectful to the player. But sometimes, when you let somebody go your team just got better. That's not the perception. One person left so everybody just kind of assumes, 'Well, the team just got worse.' That's not necessarily the case. Where we make decisions, whether we add someone or subtract someone, in our mind that decision is helping us win and we feel like we just got better. It's hard, I know, sometimes for you guys to look at it that way. But that's how we look at it."  Dolphins coach Cam Cameron when asked about the off-season exodus of offensive players such as tight end Randy McMichael, left tackle Damion McIntosh and left guard Jeno James from the team's 2006 roster.
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No offense to NJFINSFAN1 or to Cameron and Dolphins. But, we have had coaches in the recent past who could say all the right things or what he thought we wanted to hear. They could talk the talk but they couldn't walk the walk or do things they said they could do.
I like to think this is a new chapter for the Miami Dolphins and the dark cloud that hung over the Dolphins for so long is finally gone. I wont be overly impressed though by what they say or do until I see results on the field and the way the draft goes and the way the roster is put together.
In other words a new era or some more of the same ole, same ole.
 
fastball83 said:
I don't want create a controversy here, because all this guy know much more and more football than me (an european dolfan who watch football game on tv), so I have faith in them.

but I don't understand all of their move and I'am not agree with all they made.

I like :

porter signing,
carter realease (time to let's roth play)
schlesinger signing (I imagine how this guy will help ronnie and ricky)
2eme rounder for welker
our OL cleaning house,
our OL built in draft philosophy,

I dislike :

-minor departure, this guy was nothing special but he could have help us in running game in insurance policy and on special team return.

mc mickael departure, don't tell me that martin is a better TE, it's not right !
(IMO only for sure)

our wanting trent green approach, I would have go after carr hard, and draft stanton or edwards, imagine a QB depht chart of culp, carr and stanton or edwards to grrom, bye bye lemon for a later draft pick in this case.

I don't understand the cameron worrell signing too.

it's the end of my analysis FO move so far, could you give me your opinion.

GO DOLPHINS GO :)
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I actually agree to a point on your dislikes. Mcmicheal was let go for money reasons. The guy just was not putting out for 7 mil. He really is not that good. He lived by name recognition around here. Like Chambers. The only thing I regret on Mcmicheal is we couldnt get a draft pick for him which is a little lame IMO but this was done right before FA so.....money is the issue more than anything.

Trent Green is not exciting me either, but if we get Quinn or another rookie, then I do not mind it cus it shows me they are working there plan and not just throwing crap to the wind.

Minor can be replaced. In fact, he was. Cam Worrell. 28 ST tackles. Safety to boot. I like that one.

Martin at TE will not be our only TE, we will draft one IMO.
 
OneHondo said:
No offense to NJFINSFAN1 or to Cameron and Dolphins. But, we have had coaches in the recent past who could say all the right things or what he thought we wanted to hear. They could talk the talk but they couldn't walk the walk or do things they said they could do.
I like to think this is a new chapter for the Miami Dolphins and the dark cloud that hung over the Dolphins for so long is finally gone. I wont be overly impressed though by what they say or do until I see results on the field and the way the draft goes and the way the roster is put together.
In other words a new era or some more of the same ole, same ole.
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I can't complain with one move they have made, While a pick would have been nice for McMike, nobody wanted him, look what he signed with the Rams for. Nobody else we lost will hurt us. Yes, I loved Welker, but to get a 2nd and a 7th is stealing.

Porter was a very good signing, Sledge was a great signing to play FB, Hakim will be good.

We are making good cuts to save money and rid us of players that did not fit, signing good role guys and collecting draft picks.

I am for one very happy so far.
 
fastball83 said:
I don't want create a controversy here, because all this guy know much more and more football than me (an european dolfan who watch football game on tv), so I have faith in them.

but I don't understand all of their move and I'am not agree with all they made.

I like :

porter signing,
carter realease (time to let's roth play)
schlesinger signing (I imagine how this guy will help ronnie and ricky)
2eme rounder for welker
our OL cleaning house,
our OL built in draft philosophy,

I dislike :

-minor departure, this guy was nothing special but he could have help us in running game in insurance policy and on special team return.

mc mickael departure, don't tell me that martin is a better TE, it's not right !
(IMO only for sure)

our wanting trent green approach, I would have go after carr hard, and draft stanton or edwards, imagine a QB depht chart of culp, carr and stanton or edwards to grrom, bye bye lemon for a later draft pick in this case.

I don't understand the cameron worrell signing too.

it's the end of my analysis FO move so far, could you give me your opinion.

GO DOLPHINS GO :)
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I agree with everything you said except I would release DC if I got a chance to draft Stanton and sign Carr. I would do so only if DC was not ready to start.
 
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