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Our past & present QB stats... did we do the right thing?

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FYI & input. I looked up some numbers & wanted to see what you guys think after looking at it all together. Personally, I couldn't be happier w/CPEP & know he was a monster signing. Originally, I was nervous about PEP or Brees, when we were looking. And I initially thought we should've done everything we could've to get Gus back, incase PEP or Brees weren't ready to start the season. We did finish strong w/him & he knew the system, so now take a look at the pre-season numbers and let me know if Gus or Sage should still be here.

- - - - - - - - yds -TD - Int -PCT
Feeley -9/14 -103 -1 - 0 - 64.3
Sage - 26/42 -273 -2 - 0 - 59.3
Gus - 20/32 -260 - 2 - 0 - 62.5
Brees -31/50 -316 - 0 - 2 - 62.0

lemon -21/32 -179 -1 - 0 - 65.6
Joey - 25/48 -246 -2 - 0 - 52.1
PEP - 22/30 -218 -0 - 0 - 73.3
 
MastR_EvaluatoR said:
Why does preseason matter ?
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It's got to matter for something, do we have the right back up QB, just incase?
 
You can't tell anything from pre-season. I don't think Saban wanted to get rid of Sage or Gus, necessarily. I think he didn't want to overpay them. And, with Harrington, I don't think he did.

Also, Harrington came in late to a new offense. That's been a challenge but he seems to be coming around. And, he had a confidence issue at Detroit.

If you went by the last few years of REGULAR season play - I think most would still have taken Harrington over Gus or Sage - though Sage has a lot of potential imo. We've seen what Gus' problems were last year.
 
First of all, we didn't get rid of Gus. He thought he should still be the starter and didn't want to take a significant pay cut to be the backup here. Can't really blame him. Sage was also offered more money to play elsewhere, so he took the money and ran. Should Saban have veered away from his game plan and offered more for (IMO) average QBs? I don't think so. We have Harrington and Lemon. While neither has looked great, they have looked good and will continue to improve.

Bottom line is this...neither Gus or Sage wanted to be here either for the money being offered or the conditions. It was their decisions to leave.
 
Let me add, it would be different if those QB's were really dominating and possibly winning starting jobs with their teams. Then we might wonder about letting them go. But, Harrington's performance in the last game was good enough compared to the others.
 
Stats dont get ya to the superbowl, wins do. It is a team sport and is possible to win with a mediocre qb and say stellar defense. I say look at wins and the total team.
 
Your stats are meaningless, this is my new fav for dumbest thread in August. To even put DC and JH in the same category with Frerrote & Rosenfels is just plain crazy IMHO.
 
I personally liked what Gus brought to the table last year as a starter. Finally, a QB with an arm. Granted, he made some pretty horrible throws, but at least Miami went downfield more often than not. I thought he did an excellent job with his ability to slide in the pocket. I would have been fine with Frerotte at backup.
But because Frerotte is playing in a system he knows by heart (and one that goes downfield often), he is putting up pretty good numbers. I would not be surprised to see him start a few games this season.

As far as Sage is concerned, well, it seemed as though he did not really get a chance to do anything. Being a backup and going through different systems year in and year out just doen't mesh. The backup is already getting less reps, and yet, he has to learn an entirely new system! I don't blame Sage for leaving, either. He hit the bank, but I wish Miami would have gotten something for him.
 
PhinsRock said:
Your stats are meaningless, this is my new fav for dumbest thread in August. To even put DC and JH in the same category with Frerrote & Rosenfels is just plain crazy IMHO.
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Crazy? Harrington hasn't won or been part of a six game win streak to date. I know Gus didn't want to take a pay cut & be back up, but the money's there & maybe we didn't have to have him take such a hit. So IMHO there in the same ballpark. Remember back up's play there heart out, hoping to move up, so I don't think there stats are meaning less.
 
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NYFINNER said:
Remember back up's play there heart out, hoping to move up, so I don't think there stats are meaning less.
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Did you even watch the pre-season games? Or just looking at stupid numbers - Joey Harrington should have at least 4, maybe 5 TD's except for dropped passes. So maybe we should get rid of those WR's because they dropped Joey's TD passes. Or maybe we should get rid of C-Pepp because he has zero TD's in pre-season? I agree this gets the "silly thread of the week" honor.

Nice spelling and grammar too. :goof:
 
I don't put much stock in most preseason stats. The only one I definately look at is comp. %. That one is usually a fairly good reflection of whether the QB is throwing to open guys accurately. Since every QB suffers from some drops (and also benefits from some nice catches) I don't factor that in b/c subjective biases usually make fans think (incorrectly) that their favorite QB was harmed to a greater degree than others.

The other one I look at is yards per attempt. Although it's not always as telling in the preseason as coaches are sometimes holding QBs back. In the regular season it's a very good indicator of how good of a QB you have. Low YPA (below 6.00) are indicative of guys who primarily dump off. This is what you get with QBs who lack feel for the pocket or for holes in the D.

As for whether we should have kept Gus or Sage, I don't think so. IMO JH will be better long-term (as a player or as trade bait) than either of those guys. In the short term, he's better than Sage and at a minimum no worse than Gus and if his preseason performance translates to the regular season then he might even be slightly better than Gus.
 
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NYFINNER said:
Crazy? Harrington hasn't won or been part of a six game win streak to date. I know Gus didn't want to take a pay cut & be back up, but the money's there & maybe we didn't have to have him take such a hit. So IMHO there in the same ballpark. Remember back up's play there heart out, hoping to move up, so I don't think there stats are meaning less.
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My point is, your stats are all based on preseason games, and you can't judge a QB's ability on preseason stats. My second point was there is NO WAY Rosenfels has the skills, experience or abilities of Harrington and you can't even THINK of comparing Frerrote to Daunte. Still say this gets my vote for silliest thread of the week. :fire:
 
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